USA RECALL

Discussion in 'TR650' started by johnsweet, Mar 25, 2016.

  1. nwrider1 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    SW Washington
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    none
    Other Motorcycles:
    Too many to list
    My Strada is doing almost the same thing -- when cold it fires but then quits -- it's always started on the second try. However, I do get some surging at idle and the throttle response still goes flat between 3k and 4.8k rpm over about 50% throttle. I've reinstalled the AFXIED now set on #7 which makes the throttle response normal -- still have the cold start and fluctuating idle though. I may have the dealer try another adaptive reset. Wayne C. thinks it a "loss of idle actuator position when ignition off" problem in which case the last step is to contact KTM/Husky NA.
  2. hasenpfeffer Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    CO
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Strada
    I'm definitely not as confident mine is fixed. I haven't been able to use it still, but a second and third cold start both had difficult starts. I might be able to use it this week, so we'll see.
  3. WayneC Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Sydney
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    none
    Other Motorcycles:
    F650GS Dakar
    BMW stated in the G650GS recall TSB that part of the update for the G650GS was to overcome a "loss of Idle Actuator position when ignition is turned off" and that their solution was a better "default position". That means they were not able to overcome the loss of position with firmware changes so it has to be a hardware issue within the BMS-E. Since it did not occur to all machines but only a very small proportion then it suggests a hardware tolerance most likely in the L9177 IC which controls the Idle Actuator and a number of other sensors as well as the power on/off of the processor. The BMS-E being turned off before the Idle Actuator position was stored in memory is an example of how the problem could be generated.

    Where any of the Terra/Strada machines show the symptom report it to Husky, NHTSA etc, it will most likely require BMS-E replacement and with only a relatively small No of these models out there it would be easier for Husky to bite the bullet and do the replacements unlike BMW who have such a large No in C Series Scooters and the GS650GS. BMW Oz did buy back a couple of machines Dealers could not fix.
  4. hasenpfeffer Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    CO
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Strada
    That description certainly sounds like it could cause my symptom. Note that my bike most definitely did not behave this way before the update, however. I would have a harder time believing it to be hardware related because of this.
  5. WayneC Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Sydney
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    none
    Other Motorcycles:
    F650GS Dakar
    I would agree with you, if it you did not have the problem prior to the MM update then it would unlikely that your BMS-E has the problem BMW admitted to.
  6. nwrider1 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    SW Washington
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    none
    Other Motorcycles:
    Too many to list
    Since my issue with the cold start only occurred after the adaptive table reset when I was trying to cure the poor running I experienced following the reflash of the ECU, I think I'll try taking it back to the dealer to do another adaptive table reset to see if that was source of the problem.
  7. Bikerdude Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    None
    Other Motorcycles:
    KLR, Versys,DL1000 Suzuki,
    My TR650 just started doing this also. After the recall I was doing great for about 300 miles. Would start right up and no more stalling. Last two times I started cold in the morning it would start for a few seconds then stop. On third attempt it would idle a bit high then settle at around 1600 RPM's. After that it would be fine for the rest of the day. If it continues I guess another trip to the dealer is in order.
    BTW my I'm the original owner with no mods. Used to run a spoofer before the recall. Ran pretty damn good with the spoofer.
  8. hasenpfeffer Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    CO
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Strada
    WayneC, do you know how I can check the air and water temp sensors to make sure they are operating correctly? I suppose the dash displays, but how about electrically?
  9. WayneC Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Sydney
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    none
    Other Motorcycles:
    F650GS Dakar
    Both AIT and Coolant Temp sensors are stable reliable devices used on other car/bike models for years. They are low power devices though and wiring/connections should be in good condition. The AIT in particular if disconnected can cause problems in starting and power delivery, there was a classic example in one of the Advrider 650GS threads last week where an owner forgot to plug it back in after maintenance

    In terms of electrically testing, GS911 real time logging shows the temp for each and that is usually good enough to know they are OK. The temp/resistance values for each have been mapped but I dont have a graph for each readily to hand

    Re the hard starting some are reporting after the MM update, I would start with adaption reset/rebuilds

    Where MM failed to do a reset prior to shipping the BMS-E back to the Dealer then the rebuild process will not do anything, the instruction to the Dealers is not very explanatory so Dealers may not understand what they need to do or the reasons for it, then there is the question of whether the Husky/KTM diags system is reliably resetting the BMS-E when the Dealer uses it, we would hope so but as with any software system bugs can occur. I know the GS911 is pretty reliable on the reset.

    Even the best BMW car/bike Tech I know has never seen a proper description of what occurs to the lower temp portion of the adaption tables if a vehicle is not fully old when a reset/rebuild is done ie values left as is or set to 0. He just makes sure the vehicle is cold when he does it.
    PaulC and hasenpfeffer like this.
  10. BetterByCab Husqvarna
    B Class

    Location:
    Renton, WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2013 TR650 Strada
    Other Motorcycles:
    KTM SMT 990, DR650
    Hello Everyone,
    I'm new to the forum (been reading for a few months, but nothing to post). I just bought a Strada this week. I plan on contacting KTM to verify whether or not I'm affected by the recall. My question is has anyone used a dealer near Seattle for the recall repair work, that they can also recommend?
    Thanks!
  11. RockinRod Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Eastern,N.C.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650
    Other Motorcycles:
    79 GS850G, 99VFR800Fi , 04ST1300A
    Guys,
    I'm back in service....After taking my bike in and waiting to get it back , then getting it back not as I hoped I took it home very frustrated.
    I knew I needed to get it repaired ,but I just let it sit til a friend came over and got me started on getting it back right. After some health issues
    like a collapsed lung I could get was a high idle, I did see on the dash fault codes by the wrench light lit up....
    Not wanting to give up I made an appointment with a knowledgeable and trusted BMW tech who told me he thought he could correct
    my problems. Took it to him on Thursday and picked it up on Sat...All codes cleared, the fault code on the TPS was repaired new plugs installed
    and the bike was test ridden about fourty miles, with no difficulty. Did you guys note a new message relating to the flashing of the ECU after you got your bikes back? I have nothing like that on mine and remembered something to that on a few threads....
    Well at any rate I'm glad my Terra is back in service....I think I'm gonna keep mine for now...but that may change.....
  12. CarstenB Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Houston/TX
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Terra
    no, there's no message or anything different after the reflash. The only indication that the recall has been performed is the firmware number which has to be retrieved with the GS911. The dash still shows Map II during startup but that has no meaning on the Terra/Strada. It's because the same dash was used on the Nuda where maps can be selected.
    glitch_oz and RockinRod like this.
  13. rook Husqvarna
    A Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TR650 Terra
    Got my bike back after almost 6 weeks at the dealer. ECU was removed and shipped out the first day I put it in the shop as I was planning to go to Overland Expo East and warned the service manager of long lead times. I got it back 1 day before I needed to leave for the expo. Bike is running well and didn't show any sign of issue on the 4 days I rode it ~400 miles.