Tire testing with Tubliss

Discussion in 'Common Items on Husqvarnas: Tires/tubes/grips/etc' started by Chums, Aug 13, 2015.

  1. juicypips Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    gloucestershire
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    wr 360. 2002
    Other Motorcycles:
    Gas Gas TxT 300, Yamaha wr250f
    What you actually doing in Baja? If it's racing go mousses.
    They are the only true puncture proof option.

    If your just play riding I would go tubliss but my XP with them is vastly different too yours.
    I found my high pressure bladder lost 3-10 psi every week for a few weeks then thought better of it.

    As for slime I've not used it on my tyres I just use tyre soap, sounds like your Tyres are the issue over the tubliss.
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  2. lankydoug Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    MO
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    WR
    Other Motorcycles:
    TM 300en
    I've had problems with Dunlop MX52 and AT81 knobs tearing and then air plus slime seeping through the tire fibers. Motocross tires are kind of light weight so I can understand this happening also they aren't designed for Tubliss on the other hand I have had a Sedona and a MT43 hold up for 3 times as long as I expected. Even after plugging the Sedona 3 times, one staub puncture was so bad I had to put two worm plugs in the same hole, it still lasted for months after that without a seep.
  3. MotoXImage Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Lake Arrowhead, California
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2017 FE 350
    Other Motorcycles:
    2000 XR 400
    If your bladder is leaking like that most likely it's your valve seal. After mounting a second new tire and putting the valve back in mine leaked. If you haven't cleaned the valve stem out or the valve seat check em and make sure to flush them with some water. Afterwards I used a tire protector similar to ArmorAll on the rubber valve seat and coated the inside of the valve stem and leaking is almost zero after weeks. Good luck
  4. juicypips Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    gloucestershire
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    wr 360. 2002
    Other Motorcycles:
    Gas Gas TxT 300, Yamaha wr250f
    I touched nothing and it stopped but I will check the valve core seal next re tyre.
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  5. HS507 Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    NE Ohio
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    Te 300
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yz450,crf150r,crf100f,crf50f
    Ive had issues where it leaks for a bit and bounce it and re air it. Or break bead, add more soapy water, re air it.
  6. MotoXImage Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Lake Arrowhead, California
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2017 FE 350
    Other Motorcycles:
    2000 XR 400
    Ive done that with the low pressure chamber but normally the inner bladder should not be affected by by sealing the tubeliss core and tire bead.
  7. HS507 Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    NE Ohio
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    Te 300
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yz450,crf150r,crf100f,crf50f
    A
    Agreed! Jeff at nuetec, great customer service!
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  8. vmxwinn Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    East of San Francisco, Danville CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    CR500,CR430,XC430,OR250,WR400,TE250
    Other Motorcycles:
    To many to list
    What is your opinion on these Shinko's now? I just bought a 546 front and 520 rear for my TE250
  9. gots_a_sol Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Charles Town, WV
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    WR177
    Other Motorcycles:
    17 250RR
    Rear is wearing a bit quicker than I'd like, but I've been riding it mostly on hard/rocky terrain. Front is holding up fine and works nearly as well as the Golden fatty.

    I'll probably stick another 546 rear on it when racing starts up.
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  10. Throttle on Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    LAYTONVILLE CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2015 fe501s
    Other Motorcycles:
    08 Wr 250r 94Kx 500, Xr650r
    If you have not tried the Maxxis IT desert in the front I highly recommend it. I have run it with and without tubeless on a couple of bikes. I am a long time Dunlop fan however after the demise and discontinuation of the 751 and 952 fronts Dunlop has not made a tire that has satisfied me since. The 81 Dunlop was awesome when I first tried it but after only a few rides it's traction gave away and had a washout tendency especially on hard pack. The At 81 worked great brand-new but as soon as the knobs lost there new Sharp edges it began to be a scary affair. The Maxxis hangs in there even when pretty well worn out better than a near new Dunlop in my opinion. I push my Maxxis front pretty hard at speeds over 80 mph and it is very confidence inspiring. I am running Tu bliss on my FE 501s at both ends. The system requires daily maintenance as the instructions state. You do need to check the inflation of the bladder and the tire PSI before every ride. I do not use slime or Armor all in the outer chamber between the tire and rim but rather a healthy dose of dish soap and water like the manufacturer suggests. I have ridden a rear flat off-road over 50 miles in Baja cross grain dessert trails without any grief with the tu bliss. I now carry a mountain bike tire pump and Plug kit for cactus flats! Not a perfect system but it sure beats fixing seven flats a week plus tire removal with an inner tube. One more thing if you're riding at speed with the tu bliss system in Baja I suggest no less than 12- 14 pounds in the front! 10 or less would be ideal for slower singletrack rock crawling etc. you're in Baja now don't be afraid to put some air in those tires to prevent flats and save your rims. good luck!
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  11. ghte Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Bright, Victoria Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2 x 310's, 2016 Beta 480, SWM RS650
    Other Motorcycles:
    2016 Multi ,Griso1100, Monster695
    Cant believe the milage I am getting from the michelin starcross 5 mediums. Have them on my 310's and Beta 480. They have brilliant traction, don't chunk and wear very well. I am told the new casing is light and flexible which I initially took to be potentially prone to side wall gashes etc. This has not been the case thus far now on my 3rd rear on the Beat at 1600kms. this is way more that I ever got from other brands including Dunlops, Brigestones Pirellis and Kendas.
    I live in a mountainous area with a mix of rocks, clay, mud and sand in the valleys. This tyre just hooks up and keeps on doing it.
  12. NCSteve Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Appalachia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    12 WR300 13 WR165
    Other Motorcycles:
    02 XR250R 00 XR100R
    That's good to hear about the Starcross 5. All the Mich tires I've tried recently wore quickly and chunked badly. :cheers:
  13. MotoXImage Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Lake Arrowhead, California
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2017 FE 350
    Other Motorcycles:
    2000 XR 400

    Just put on the Parker 772, 2 weeks ago. I only have about 200 plus miles but it's holding up very well in the California desert bordering Arizona, Desert Center Area. Hooks up good one hardpack, is predictable on hardpack turns, bites very good in deep sand. And yes, its also DOT and isn't bad on the road. It's a bargain.
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  14. NCSteve Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Appalachia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    12 WR300 13 WR165
    Other Motorcycles:
    02 XR250R 00 XR100R
    I ran a Parker on the 300 with a tube and didn't like it. Was good on the fireroads, but way too loose and sketchy in the woods. I took it off after only a couple of rides and still have it. Maybe it deserves another chance with Tubliss :cheers:
  15. MotoXImage Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Lake Arrowhead, California
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2017 FE 350
    Other Motorcycles:
    2000 XR 400

    Good point regarding direction. I too am running intermediate. My guess is that switching to hardpack might be a better choice for me. Improved hardback performance and less bite in the sand would be work for me. I'm on a TE310 and prefer a little less bite in the sand because coming from a dead stop requires more clutch work than I like. I do run tubliss at 7lbs. IMO the K722 feels light in your hands and on the bike and yes, the sidewalls don't flex much even at 7lbs. When I'm riding So Cal mountains the Motoz Mountain Hybrid hooks up like no other tire Ive used. It's also DOT but it does feel heavy in your hands but really stays planted over braking bumps and rocky chatter type terrain. The gyro effect is noticeable almost instantly on your first venture off road. It's weakness is in Moto type conditions because the bike is less flickable and slides easier when banking turns. If your a sit down rider typical of many dual sport enthusiast you'll love it everywhere.
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  16. hakkalugi Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    North East PA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    17' TE150
    Running a battlecross x40 rear & Goldentyre fatty up front. My first ride the rear hooks up like mad might actually put a couple mroe psi in it I like to break it loose once in a while,my front seemed to loose pressure throughout the ride but when aired up & sitting doesnt seem to loose any. Not sure have only ridden the set up once so far & it was pretty cold out.
  17. MotoXImage Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Lake Arrowhead, California
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2017 FE 350
    Other Motorcycles:
    2000 XR 400
    I do want to hear your impressions about the Trackmaster. Sounds like much of your terrain is similar to mine here in Southern California, (San Bernardino Mountains of Lake Arrowhead and Big Bear plus the east of Indio to the Colorado River.
  18. Throttle on Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    LAYTONVILLE CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2015 fe501s
    Other Motorcycles:
    08 Wr 250r 94Kx 500, Xr650r
  19. Throttle on Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    LAYTONVILLE CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2015 fe501s
    Other Motorcycles:
    08 Wr 250r 94Kx 500, Xr650r
    Big Timmy what's your opinion on this tire a year later? I am always interested in trying a less expensive good preforming tire. These 501s eat them for lunch! It sure looks almost like a D 606 knock off.
  20. Throttle on Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    LAYTONVILLE CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2015 fe501s
    Other Motorcycles:
    08 Wr 250r 94Kx 500, Xr650r
    I am running tublis front and rear on my 2015 501s. This has got to be one of the coolest inventions and one of the best upgrades I have done to my bike to date. I originally purchased a front and then a rear. I was originally mostly interested in the reliability benefits of avoiding pinch flats and being able to plug a puncture without dismounting the tire on the trail. You can also ride in on a flat if you can not fix it as the inner 100psi bladder protects your rim and is a very effective rim lock keeping your tire from wanting to walk off the rim! Last summer I road a flat front Dunlop 606 over 75 miles on asphalt home on a 105 degree day with the tubliss with no problems! I've been in a similar situation with conventional tubes and no rim lock. It was a scary affair. Every ten miles or so I would have to pull over to let the tire cool so it would not come off the rim. This was on a Drz 400 Suzuki which like most Japanese dual sports do not come with rimlocks from the factory. That was the last day I ever road without rim locks of some sort. I now carry a plug kit and a mountain bike tire pump on long rides. This gives me so much piece of mind. Most of my dual sport adventures are at least 100 miles and often way out in the boonies where repairing a conventional tube on the trail would be a pain. Just last Sunday I did a 246 mile ride in the lost coast here in Northern California. For most of the day I was alone in back country where there was absolutely no cell phone signal. My pump and patch kit weigh a fraction of what an extra tube and tire irons do. I do my own tire changes and have found that tublis system method of mounting and dismounting tires is so much easier than the conventional method. If I pre-warm my tires I have gotten my tire changes down to just over 10 minutes apiece. I'm still experimenting with outer tire pressures. I have found running less than 14 on the asphalt is not a good idea. It seems to cause the rear to wear very quickly. I'm typically running 8 to 14 pounds front and rear depending on the terrain and the speeds I'm riding. Most of the off-road trails I ride are pretty fast so I'm not running the lower pressures I hear people talking about. If you haven't tried these yet go tublis you won't go back! My advice is you follow the installation instructions exactly and check both your inner and outer tire pressures before each ride. Rite now I running a Maxxis dessert IT up front. I love this tire. Even on the pavement it is one of the best performing non DOT knobbies for the front of a dual sport. It is a great tire in almost every situation off road and even provides decent grip when pretty worn out unlike some knobbies that start to wash out on hard pack as soon as the knobs lose their new sharp edges. I don't screw around with DOT tires on the front of my Dual sports. I push my front tire too hard off road to except the washout characteristics most DOT tires produce off road! I Just use caution on the pavement running an off road knobbie in the front. And like I said this Maxis works incredibly well on the asphalt for what it is even wet asphalt. I go back and forth between Dunlops 606, Motozs enduro IT tractionator, and a Kenda K270 dual sport in the rear. The Dunlop seems to hook up a little better on hard pack, loose gravel and on pavement than the motoz Whereas the Motoz really shines and puts the Dunlop to shame in mud, loam, and sand. The Kenda k270 I run is the best of the three on pavement low vibration and noise with good predictable road grip. I only spoon on the Kenda for extended highway trips. It has fair but not great traction off road only when new. Once it is half worn The Kenda provides very little grip off road. The Kenda is so cheap that if it wears quickly I don't care! It's also has a flexible sidewall so it's a breeze to change.
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