Shinko 216MX.....unabashed GT216AA clone.

Discussion in 'Common Items on Husqvarnas: Tires/tubes/grips/etc' started by robertaccio, Aug 3, 2017.

  1. Motosportz CH Sponsor

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    I ran a golden Tyre GT523KX wich is uber soft, zero knob loss and worked until the knobs were almost warn off. By far my favorite rear tire. I'm now testing the GT369KX which is not available yet and it is even better then the 523KX. Hands down the most tractionful tire I have ever used. Those huge knobs are so soft and hook to everything.

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  2. jimmyc Husqvarna
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    pittsburgh pa. USA
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    11 TXC449, 09 SM610, WR250, plated
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    18YZ250X GS1200 busa duc900SS GG
    New 525 . Fatty on order.
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    Works good for me.
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  3. farmerj Husqvarna
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    Does anyone know why GT does not recommend using a Tubliss with some of their tires?

    The 369X below (not KX) and 216X gummy both have the same "not recommended with Tubliss Systems" comment.

    https://www.goldentyrewest.com/gt369x-gummy-rear

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  4. NCSteve Husqvarna
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    Probably because they have a soft sidewall and they want to sell you a GT moose. Tubliss and low psi works best with stiff sidewall tires, though I hear many using it with the soft hybrid tires. Check the Tubliss thread for recommendations and reports. :cheers:
    Is that the new hybrid version or the standard 525? And which size?
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  5. jimmyc Husqvarna
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    11 TXC449, 09 SM610, WR250, plated
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    18YZ250X GS1200 busa duc900SS GG
    Hybrid , 120
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  6. KXcam22 Husqvarna
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    Kamloops, BC, Canada
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    2011 SM630, 2017 300XC
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    08FZR6;07CRF450;98CBR900RR;02KTM200
    I need some front tire recommendations. Should i get the shinko 216 or an M59? My stock at81 is not to my liking. Does the fatty 216 slow the steering? My terrain is dry soil roots and rocks single track. Cam
  7. NCSteve Husqvarna
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    Lots of good options to try. Shinko is cheap enough to just try it and find out. M59 is still the fav for lots of people, I see it here at local races and seems to work well almost everywhere. Highly recommend Metz 6 days front, great tire that works well everywhere and wears very well. It's overpriced lately though in the US, so I'm using Maxxis EN front which is almost as good everywhere and wears very well. Both of those weigh @ 9 lbs which is very good for 90/90 tough tire.
    I've got 1 more EN stashed, then I'm going to try the Shinko 216 front :cheers:
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  8. jimmyc Husqvarna
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    pittsburgh pa. USA
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    11 TXC449, 09 SM610, WR250, plated
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    18YZ250X GS1200 busa duc900SS GG
    I had planned on putting the Fatty on last month with the new 525,
    but my old front bridgestone has been wearing so good, maybe next month.

    Buy the way . the 525 Shinko Cheater has been excellent last 4 weeks. Lots of mud and rain and rocks and roots.
  9. KXcam22 Husqvarna
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    Does the larger carcass 216 slow down the steering very much? Cam.
  10. KXcam22 Husqvarna
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    2011 SM630, 2017 300XC
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    08FZR6;07CRF450;98CBR900RR;02KTM200
    This make be a dumb question but why do they call the 90/100 the fatty when the 90/90 is the same width (in theory). Cam
  11. NCSteve Husqvarna
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    One thing is it sure looks bigger and is obvious when I see 1 on a bike.
  12. Huskynoobee CH Sponsor ZipTy Racing

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    A Golden 90/100 is a true 100. I've checked with a digital caliper to compare the specs with a Shinko. 100mm for the Golden 216, 95mm for a Shinko 216. I've still got mine on the 449 and while I haven't ridden it much with race season being pretty busy for me this year, it's pushing 700 miles and still looking good.

    The key thing to remember is if you're going to ride really harsh terrain with lots of sharp rocks, you'll likely see the side knobs begin to fail within 400-500 miles. This is the same as the Gen 3 Golden which it's modeled from. I just had to toss my last Gen 3 as the side knobs were about gone. It had about 600 miles on it on my WR250 (just a guess as the 250 has no odo on it)
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  13. robertaccio Husqvarna
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    I think its just the larger body overall that makes it a fatty a big square ratio tire (Height and width equal), for sure they do appear a lot bigger than a 90/90-21.
  14. robertaccio Husqvarna
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    dudes I went full shinko.....216mx 90/100-21 fat front and rear 140/80-18 fat and fatter. my216sx softy rear is toast. and I have another new 216mx 140/80-18 on the spares shelf
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  15. MotoXImage Husqvarna
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    I swithed from a MotoZ Mountain Hybrid Front. Yes, the 216 is a bit slower in transitions. On wide trails it's hardly noticable but on goat trails with hidden twists, it's a challenge to keep up with setting up the turns. Still, it's traction on flat turns is very strong. It does wear faster than the MotoZ as well.
  16. robertaccio Husqvarna
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    San Diego, Ca
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    2017 TX300
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    92BetaZero260, 01YamahaYZ125
    I'm kinda back tracking on my opinion that the Shinko is the new king for the price and type.
    I just bought a brand new GT216AA and find it to be lighter and very high quality compared to my last 2 Shinko purchases. To me even the compound feels more to my liking in the standard configuration. The GT was still @ $100 so it is more costly, for the price the Shinko is still king and very close in form fit and function. By feel the latest GT216AA feels more supple in compound and carcass ( by feel tactile feel, not riding)
    My rear new tire is still the Shinko 216MX (FIM style enduro tire). I still want to use a new Michelin Enduro Comp Med 140/80-18 but they are cost prohibitive. Anyway for the looming Tecate Enduro 1DEC2018 my TX300 will have a GT216AA F 90/100-21 and a Shinko 216MX R 140/80-18 FIM style tires, with any combo of the following, new Nitro Mousses, New Michelin Bib Mousses or most likely a bunch of used stuffed pieces of mousses from my library of chopped up mousses.
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  17. flyingbob Husqvarna
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    Which company is now making the GT216AA? $95.00 vs $56.00 is a major price difference.
    Am I correct in that you're saying you haven't ride tested the GT216AA? "By feel the latest GT216AA feels more supple in compound and carcass ( by feel tactile feel, not riding)."
  18. robertaccio Husqvarna
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    San Diego, Ca
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    2017 TX300
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    92BetaZero260, 01YamahaYZ125
    GT216AA (is GT= Golden Tyre).

    The Shinko 216MX and SX are similar pattern of the GT216AA (FIM enduro type) the Shinko MX is harder compound the SX is a gummy type compound, both are same in visual appearance..
  19. MotoXImage Husqvarna
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  20. KXcam22 Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Kamloops, BC, Canada
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2011 SM630, 2017 300XC
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    08FZR6;07CRF450;98CBR900RR;02KTM200
    Just wrenched a 216MM 90/90 x 21 on to replace the OEM A81. I debated getting the fatty but didn't want to slow the steering any. I am surprised that the 90/90 shinko is actually a bit smaller that the 90/90 AT81. The diam and weight are the same (my scale doesnt go high enough so I had to estimate the weight), but the carcass and width was smaller. This is a used slightly AT81 vs a new 216MX.

    AT81 216MX
    height 28" 28"
    carcass w 3.21" 3.0"
    tire W 3.95" 3.66"

    I expected it to be the same or larger. Go figure. Hoping it will be better as the AT81 is very mediocre in my terrain. Won't get to try it until the snow melts. I have it paired with the 505 cheater which I quite like. Cam.
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