• 4 Stroke Husqvarna Motorcycles Made In Italy - About 1989 to 2014
    TE = 4st Enduro & TC = 4st Cross

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TE449 Dyno results

Depending on what gear the bike is in , how well the back end is preloaded and how much hp will dictate slippage with a knobby. A experienced tunner will know when it's necessary to up the grip on the wheel. The dyno wheels grip better than pavement, look at the rubber that comes off when dynoing.
 
Just to put it in proper prospective, if you check Thumper talk etc... WR 450 yammies uncorked and airbox mods
dynoed at 33HP, and Honda Crf 450 about the same, so your putting down pretty good. They just don't make advertised
HP.

Not sure how that's possible.. my 2004yammi450 sucks up 35 miles per gallon (alot of gas).. and I can twist the throttle and wheelie easy in 3rd gear and it only has 5 wide gear ratio. No way that's plausible with 33-37hp. The beast hauls and sucks up the gas to prove it. Also - my 2004 is a 'red stickered' bike so I think it cranks a bit more HP then typical 2005 on up yamaha WRs which started becoming Green sticker then

I think TE gets better mileage so I would think that would dictate lesser HP. Also, I have a TE250, which supposedly makes 28-32 HP. I ride WR450 and TE250 back to back, and it's night and day difference. I mean complete night and day difference in terms of power... not 6hp difference

Can't go wrong with either bike imo
 
I'm assuming it is important to have a non-knkobby tire on a bike when doing these types of things. The last 3 times I took bikes over to Dynojet in Las Vegas they changed the rear tire to a slick before using the bikes on a dynamometer so they could get accurate numbers.
Dynojet in Vegas I assume is a five star service :) they were saving your tires more than likely ?
 
I wondered how these bike stacked up on dyno sheets, this 449 at 43. rearwheelins 511 at 46 or 47. they supplied the sheets we could see...so I scoured the web for dyno sheets from real individuals, and it turns out the 449/511's are strong. KTM 525's found 2 in the mid 30's. 2 WR 450 yammies at 33 and 35. YZ 450s atlow to mid 40'S. KX 450s upper 40's. just food for thought. new corvettes get mid 30's mpg.
 
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Not sure how that's possible.. my 2004yammi450 sucks up 35 miles per gallon (alot of gas).. and I can twist the throttle and wheelie easy in 3rd gear and it only has 5 wide gear ratio. No way that's plausible with 33-37hp. The beast hauls and sucks up the gas to prove it.

I think TE gets better mileage so I would think that would dictate lesser HP.

Can't go wrong with either bike imo
Have drag raced my buddy on his WR 450 many times and HP isn't too far behind a MX bike once uncorked . Really nice offroad powerband and good crank mass for lugging down on the bottom end . It's torque leverages it hp really well ! Not faster than iether of my bike though :)
 
Dynojet in Vegas I assume is a five star service :) they were saving your tires more than likely ?
No, they thought it was the only way to get accurate results, they do that to all the bikes they dyno.

I've really no idea, and I certainly do not want to upset anyone with a different opinion.
 
No, they thought it was the only way to get accurate results, they do that to all the bikes they dyno.

I've really no idea, and I certainly do not want to upset anyone with a different opinion.
Atleast we gained some knowledge on the map 3 , I don't think the air/fuel ratio and rev limiter has anything to do with the tire ;)
 
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Have drag raced my buddy on his WR 450 many times and HP isn't too far behind a MX bike once uncorked . Really nice offroad powerband and good crank mass for lugging down on the bottom end . It's torque leverages it hp really well ! Not faster than iether of my bike though :)

I wish mine and your y axis was the same spacing so we could compare the torque curves better. From the looks of it the 511 has a lot more low end tq.
 
I wish mine and your y axis was the same spacing so we could compare the torque curves better. From the looks of it the 511 has a lot more low end tq.
She pokes good on bottom :) so you know , I had my airfilter tray completely out where the intake boot was fully exposed to get my dyno numbers. Airbox mod is 2-3 HP on our bikes.
 
Torque and HP is kinda hard to interpret as far as feeling of the bike.

Torque revolves more around the acceleration?? And HP is actual power? :confused:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but say for example --- a Tractor -- will have low torque but very high HP. It will go slow acceleration but has high HP it can tow or pull very heavy loads. A dirt bike will have decent HP but very high Torque - so it's accelerating very quickly in comparison to the tractor - but will not be able to pull or tow heavy loads (as they shouldn't doh!)...

Confusious says...
 
Torque and HP is kinda hard to interpret as far as feeling of the bike.

Torque revolves more around the acceleration?? And HP is actual power? :confused:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but say for example --- a Tractor -- will have low torque but very high HP. It will go slow acceleration but has high HP it can tow or pull very heavy loads. A dirt bike will have decent HP but very high Torque - so it's accelerating very quickly in comparison to the tractor - but will not be able to pull or tow heavy loads (as they shouldn't doh!)...

Confusious says...
Torque is a real thing whereas HP is a calculation based on torque (RPM * T) / 5252.
Acceleration has more to do with gearing than anything else.

You have it backwards also, tractors and Diesels have high torque but low HP (because they do not rev high).
 
Torque and HP is kinda hard to interpret as far as feeling of the bike.

Torque revolves more around the acceleration?? And HP is actual power? :confused:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but say for example --- a Tractor -- will have low torque but very high HP. It will go slow acceleration but has high HP it can tow or pull very heavy loads. A dirt bike will have decent HP but very high Torque - so it's accelerating very quickly in comparison to the tractor - but will not be able to pull or tow heavy loads (as they shouldn't doh!)...

Confusious says...
The best way to describe the torque / hp partnership as it was explained to me years ago. Torque gets it there and HP keeps it there. ... Example: a 500hp big rig might have 2600 ft-lbs torque . While a 2t CR 250r might have 40hp and 15 ft-lbs torque. Torque = control
 
I'm assuming it is important to have a non-knkobby tire on a bike when doing these types of things. The last 3 times I took bikes over to Dynojet in Las Vegas they changed the rear tire to a slick before using the bikes on a dynamometer so they could get accurate numbers.

We use a slick style street tire with our dyno and it will transfer power smoother and more efficiently to the rub wheel.

Not sure how that's possible.. my 2004yammi450 sucks up 35 miles per gallon (alot of gas).. and I can twist the throttle and wheelie easy in 3rd gear and it only has 5 wide gear ratio. No way that's plausible with 33-37hp. The beast hauls and sucks up the gas to prove it. Also - my 2004 is a 'red stickered' bike so I think it cranks a bit more HP then typical 2005 on up yamaha WRs which started becoming Green sticker then

I think TE gets better mileage so I would think that would dictate lesser HP. Also, I have a TE250, which supposedly makes 28-32 HP. I ride WR450 and TE250 back to back, and it's night and day difference. I mean complete night and day difference in terms of power... not 6hp difference

Can't go wrong with either bike imo
Your Yamaha is carbureted, and therefore will use more fuel when operating. Also there is usually a large difference between rated horsepower at the crankshaft and that of which is actually at the rear wheel. The MY12 Yamaha wr450 and the TE449 were nearly identical off the dyno. But the characteristics of two engines of similar hp can be very dissimilar. A typical KTM has a tremendous amount of torque, while the Husqvarna has a less torque, may have a much higher rate of acceleration. Because horsepower is a function of torque and acceleration, horsepower can be shown in equivalence between two very different engines.


Horsepower is really over rated, don't get me wrong, everyone loves a great hole-shot now and again. I try to pay more attention to the torque output, besides, that's what is going to carry me up to the top of the mountain. :)

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Bit of a thread derail, but, just curious if you have the HP Nm numbers for the TE310R or TXC310R?
They claim the new 310R puts out 37.8hp, but in reality, I'm guessing no more than 29hp (18ftlbs) at the tire. A stock te449 puts 30.4hp (23.3ftlbs) to the rear tire.

Edit: For comparison, the KTM 350sfx on the dyno is 48.58hp@12,200rpm.
 
Just because it's carburated does not mean it automatically gets bad fuel milage . I did 80 miles in the Piutes a couple months ago on my CRF 450R with it's stock 1.8 tank. It doesn't run lean or too rich, it's jetted perfectly by me with a 48 pilot , 178 main , needle raised 2 notches from stock ( ported intake). Bike rips with awesome mpg. Kills me that my 511 might be faster. Gues I could put my SM wheel on and haul it to the same dyno . To think I almost traded a budy for his uncorked 05" CRF 450x before I road it and was a heavy feeling sluggish turd, nothing like a R ... The TE is a mix of MX , offroad and Enduro .
 
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