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2015 Beta info - EFI
- Thread starter Motosportz
- Start date
Only on the 350RR.
Carbs on the Beta's are as very good very little if any tweeking are required with them.
From sea level to 14,000 with only adjustment to fuel screw.
Of course if staying at altitude a little leaning might be in order.
EFI is a PIA and to much of a risk for leaving you stranded.
Later George
Carbs on the Beta's are as very good very little if any tweeking are required with them.
From sea level to 14,000 with only adjustment to fuel screw.
Of course if staying at altitude a little leaning might be in order.
EFI is a PIA and to much of a risk for leaving you stranded.
Later George
robertaccio
Husqvarna
Pro Class
After now having 2 FI bikes I agree with George, in my opinion the beauty of the Beta is the use of the latest and greatest highest tech carbs. When I'm in the hills of the middle of baja(or someother middle of nowhere spot on the map) and my bike keeps stalling......I can drop the float bowl and clean my pilot and continue my ride.....I like that non-PITA idea. we just have too much dust entering all over on our bikes. Truth is my Mikuni TE310 system never gave me problems the 2013 TXC310R always had FI issues ( all the problems have been solved from my due diligence and through my cursing and race anxiety, new owner is super stoked)
To each his own. I spent more time fiddling with my FCR carbs, had the carb off way to many times (frustrating) and bought more trinkets (AP cover, knurled air screw, Adjustable AP, jets, kits etc) and installed wierd o-rings as AP springs etc than I ever did on my EFI. My Te511 has always ran good. Now with the JD I can tune it on the trail by pushing buttons on my handlebar. Have had zero issues with it. Love the MPG and response and fact that there is no bowl to get water in and mess things up. I like the simplicity of a carb, love the simplicity of the Lectron carb and love my 2 strokes with it but even though I was apprehensive at first on EFI complexities I have grown to really like it. The Keihn stuff is very good. The Mikuni crap is not so good.
I have NEVER been stranded by my EFI yet in a whole lot of miles. Shure it can happen as well as piles of other issues. EFI is not scary to me. Heck my bike does not even have a kick starter. I dont know what people are scared of modern EFI. Cars go 100's of thousands of miles with it. Bikes too. Electronics are pretty much a given these days. Digital ignitions, starters, cooling systems and a bunch of other things can go out too. Most bikes if taken reasonable care of can be crazy reliable even with all this fancy stuff. Sure I could ride a XR400 with carb, air cooling and 3 quarts of oil but I dont want to.
So are we saying this is a step backwards for Beta?
I wouldn't raise a stink here my man...
Kelly you can sell Lectrons to guys who don't like all those pesky hoses on their FCR carbs.
I'm not, I find it a step forward.
I think the 350rr is a step forward and actually a contender now. I've been spoiled by years of street bikes but FI and electric start are the best thing to happen to dirt bikes. I wouldn't buy a modern bike without FI, spend the money on the latest and greatest and that's what you should get.
With that being said, I've never had issues with that. Heck swapping the injector on my bike isn't anything I couldn't do trail side. I really would go carb on a 2 stroke (because Efi isn't an option) but the appeal of a 2 stroke to me is really only the lack of valves and cams. All this could be because I'm 28 and Ive mostly just been around Efi so that's what I'm comfortable with.
No step backward for Beta, but why change something that is not needed.
Beta unlike Husky spent a lot of time and money with Keihin on their FCR to get it right, and they did.
It's not an off the shelf FCR like Husky used.
Only must items for these carbs are Up-Tite Vent filter and a R&D flex jet.
If the Beta battery goes dead, just kick it and keep giong.
No water temp sensers to fail, relays to fail,fuses to come apart and fail,fuel pumps to fail,fuel connections to fail,wire harnesses and connections to fail,fuel filters that split, ECU's that fail battery issues even simple loose connection draining battery so it won't start and keep running. Dead or weak battery, faulty charging system= no run.
No Dobeck EJK aka (JD) or Dyno Jet reqiured no I Beat , HSI required. To find out where to put $$$ to fix it.
That is of course after it has been towed back out or Helo'd out.
Riding a bike out of middle of no-where with carb issues is much easier than being towed or walking resulting from EFI failures of which there are many.
Your right, To each his own.
Later George
Beta unlike Husky spent a lot of time and money with Keihin on their FCR to get it right, and they did.
It's not an off the shelf FCR like Husky used.
Only must items for these carbs are Up-Tite Vent filter and a R&D flex jet.
If the Beta battery goes dead, just kick it and keep giong.
No water temp sensers to fail, relays to fail,fuses to come apart and fail,fuel pumps to fail,fuel connections to fail,wire harnesses and connections to fail,fuel filters that split, ECU's that fail battery issues even simple loose connection draining battery so it won't start and keep running. Dead or weak battery, faulty charging system= no run.
No Dobeck EJK aka (JD) or Dyno Jet reqiured no I Beat , HSI required. To find out where to put $$$ to fix it.
That is of course after it has been towed back out or Helo'd out.
Riding a bike out of middle of no-where with carb issues is much easier than being towed or walking resulting from EFI failures of which there are many.
Your right, To each his own.
Later George
5700 miles, never stranded me yet or had any of the long list you wrote. This bike with the stock EFI jumper was very acceptable. With the $40 ZipTy remap is amazing. No other things needed so less $$$ spent than the two mods the Beta carb needs. The rest of the EFI stuff I did because I like to play with my toys. I'm good to go. If it does it is a dirtbike and I'll deal with it. Sure I'll buy a fuel pump one day, thats fine. I already feel it has been crazy reliable so all good. Better get over it quick as they will all be EFI soon, very soon. Most are already. I ride with piles of EFI bike and we have yet to have to leave one in the woods yet. Although I have limped many a new carbed KTM out of the woods as they like to set the float levels absurdly high it all the fuel flows out onto the trail and 20 miles in your out of gas.
The long list is from the forums here on CH, and the many many bikes I have repaired and got running for customer that weren't my customers before they came here looking for the help they couldn't find where they made thier bike purchase.
Carb vent keeps dirt out carb so slide ($185.00) and body($685.00) don't wear out all carb'd bikes need these.
Keeps Intake valves from wearing out due to dirt getting into carb via vent hoses.
Ever see dirt on the inside of the cap of a carb?
This dirt is so fine it passes thru the jets without plugging the jets. Most common reason intake valves tighten-up. 8-9000 rpm valve lapping going on.
Re shim couple times then it's $190.00 each for the TI valves. $35.00 for the carb vent filter is cheap insurance.
Flex Jet not so much a must but when you get tank full of gas and has too much alcohol in it can richen it up or going up in altitude above 10,000 can lean it down without having to stop pull out special screwdriver stand on your head to find where the fuel screw is and try to adjust it, with flex jet just reach down and do it on the fly. For $40.00 kinda nice little item, but not a must.
Your pushing the Lectron carbs they have been around since about 1977, They were first the Lake Injecter called EI then were Edilbrock came OEM on KTM 500 and 600 were a disaster. Still have a New In Box EI am sure many changes have been made with them since new owners and name changes.
From the threads sound the same either work great or don't without making parts changes just like a carb. Thought you lost a gen.
Later George
Carb vent keeps dirt out carb so slide ($185.00) and body($685.00) don't wear out all carb'd bikes need these.
Keeps Intake valves from wearing out due to dirt getting into carb via vent hoses.
Ever see dirt on the inside of the cap of a carb?
This dirt is so fine it passes thru the jets without plugging the jets. Most common reason intake valves tighten-up. 8-9000 rpm valve lapping going on.
Re shim couple times then it's $190.00 each for the TI valves. $35.00 for the carb vent filter is cheap insurance.
Flex Jet not so much a must but when you get tank full of gas and has too much alcohol in it can richen it up or going up in altitude above 10,000 can lean it down without having to stop pull out special screwdriver stand on your head to find where the fuel screw is and try to adjust it, with flex jet just reach down and do it on the fly. For $40.00 kinda nice little item, but not a must.
Your pushing the Lectron carbs they have been around since about 1977, They were first the Lake Injecter called EI then were Edilbrock came OEM on KTM 500 and 600 were a disaster. Still have a New In Box EI am sure many changes have been made with them since new owners and name changes.
From the threads sound the same either work great or don't without making parts changes just like a carb. Thought you lost a gen.
Later George
robertaccio
Husqvarna
Pro Class
"new carbed KTM out of the woods as they like to set the float levels absurdly high it all the fuel flows out onto the trail and 20 miles in your out of gas."
sounds like my TE300.
sounds like my TE300.
robertaccio
Husqvarna
Pro Class
that carb vent hose filter thing is a must (we are in dry dusty zone here). Ive scooped (exagerated of course) dirt and dust out from the top of FCR slides. Also remember climate will have different final effects on systems. PNW/eastern not as much year round dust as us dez zone folks have. the fact is that KTM and this years Husky have had numerous DNFs due to clogged filters and injectors in this region. I believe thats due to our overly dusty conditions. Odd that Dakar and other offroad racing burried in dust with everything injected doesnt suffer as much?? better anti dust measures than stock/oem set ups???
I was 100% into the FI thing as everyother dang vehicle is injected,,, but had many curses during intense riding when my 310 would flame out and not relight than run great for miles then at the worst possible time do the same. I was yelling I wish this thing had a carb it would run better. would it?? I never had any issues with any of my FCR Keihins after personall setup was done. ride what you like, I am back to carburator bikes again but I am also back to 2 stroke bik again, more fun for the $.
I was 100% into the FI thing as everyother dang vehicle is injected,,, but had many curses during intense riding when my 310 would flame out and not relight than run great for miles then at the worst possible time do the same. I was yelling I wish this thing had a carb it would run better. would it?? I never had any issues with any of my FCR Keihins after personall setup was done. ride what you like, I am back to carburator bikes again but I am also back to 2 stroke bik again, more fun for the $.
Mike Kay
Husqvarna
AA Class
I looked into buying the Quicksilver stuff from Edelbrock a few years ago. It all came down to my lame ass cousin - who builds Harley customs - telling my funding guys/partners 'carbs are out, EFI is the way to go'
I got help from them for my first Dakar bike, a 650r back in '03/'04 when i was building it out. Raced plenty in baja with the quicksilver (now a Lectron). That technology in one form or another goes way back. Its a nice product. Remember when KTM's came stock with them!?
Woulda coulda shoulda.
When I was thinking of buying Quicksilver from Edelbrock i was kinda seeing it. I was then on the cutting edge of 'these EFI things just dont work for long haul dirt bike riding' But then i was also the one who called it on SCORE, predicted BMW selling Husky (i was off by just a few months!!), electric bikes are the future (the guy who slammed me now sells ebikes!) and on and on. LOL. Its all good.
I can go on and on about being let down by the complex multitude of parts that go into a EFI bike. And while the throttle bodies have by now been largely sorted, the many complex parts that go into a system will always make it less reliable than a simple carb, and thats the rub.
No doubt EFI can be made to work very well. Might even get slightly better throttle response and fuel economy. But like Aluminum frames, just cause one can do it, dont make it a better way to go-at least for what i ride.
If BETA ends up all EFI, well to me thats a step sideways. I like to ride far and wide into very very remote places, usually in Baja. I need a system thats simple and stone reliable.
My BETA 450's carb is simply amazing. Great fuel economy. Perfect off throttle response. No flare outs. As with any carb its easy to work on. I hope they dont go to all EFI.
Its all good. See you guys in 6 months.
I got help from them for my first Dakar bike, a 650r back in '03/'04 when i was building it out. Raced plenty in baja with the quicksilver (now a Lectron). That technology in one form or another goes way back. Its a nice product. Remember when KTM's came stock with them!?
Woulda coulda shoulda.
When I was thinking of buying Quicksilver from Edelbrock i was kinda seeing it. I was then on the cutting edge of 'these EFI things just dont work for long haul dirt bike riding' But then i was also the one who called it on SCORE, predicted BMW selling Husky (i was off by just a few months!!), electric bikes are the future (the guy who slammed me now sells ebikes!) and on and on. LOL. Its all good.
I can go on and on about being let down by the complex multitude of parts that go into a EFI bike. And while the throttle bodies have by now been largely sorted, the many complex parts that go into a system will always make it less reliable than a simple carb, and thats the rub.
No doubt EFI can be made to work very well. Might even get slightly better throttle response and fuel economy. But like Aluminum frames, just cause one can do it, dont make it a better way to go-at least for what i ride.
If BETA ends up all EFI, well to me thats a step sideways. I like to ride far and wide into very very remote places, usually in Baja. I need a system thats simple and stone reliable.
My BETA 450's carb is simply amazing. Great fuel economy. Perfect off throttle response. No flare outs. As with any carb its easy to work on. I hope they dont go to all EFI.
Its all good. See you guys in 6 months.
If you didn't keep it pinned with front wheel in the air, float level wouldn't be to high.
Later George
I bet a majority of those was with the crap Mikuni system. Garbage is garbage. A crappy carb sucks too. I have seen guys spend hundreds of dollars to stop FRC's from flaming out and stuff. The Accelerator pump alone has fuel several companies.
Yep, dont get that with the sealed EFI system. When i had a FCR carbed bike i found this same issue and bought a very nice 7602 racing filter.
I know all this. Did a lot of research on these. John sent me a APT carb, I liked it. Vinduro told me about Lectron which I had seen in the past. I tried one and loved it. Spent the last year working closely with Lectron refinding it for our needs with different metering rods, viton bowl gaskets, relocated overflow lines, different hardware, machined down to size, remote choke option etc. Its a great carb and I have lots of happy customers many whom have bought more than one of them.
KTM is the biggest DB company in the world and almost all models are EFI. Beta was pretty much the last 4 strokes with carbs and those look to be phased out too. The MX mags dogged on the Yamahas as they were last with EFI and it showed in their test results. Again, I like carbs but also don't have issues with EFI and these days prefer that.
ANYWAY... those new Betas are sure nice...
Seems they would have addressed that by now as it has been going on for many years. Thats a weird one to ignore.
