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2015 Beta info - EFI

Between the two systems, you still need an ignition stator. CDI/ECU hardware is also close to a wash. Throttle body much more simple than FCR so I would think cheaper. That leaves the addition of the pump, regulator (flange assy) plus the injectors, plumbing, and wiring. So yeah, quite likely cheaper.
 
All the contesting whether you like it or not is irrelevent- the Beta 350 has a Synerject FI system on it.
Read about it and about the company, it appears that Beta has chosen a custom application engineered for the 350. I assume the carrot being held out to Synerject is that if they get this right they will have a whole line of models to sell their product for.
I am sure (OK I would bet on it maybe even 2T models) they all ready have the entire line up for R&D targeting the 2016 model year.
Beta's other models for 2015 are all Carburated as stated.

Every other racing quality/high performance 4 stroke bike is FI at this point (we will focus only on dirtbikes but all the road bikes are FI as well).
It would be nice for certain non-compliant/ race versions to have the option of a carburator. But thats a hard issue, due to certifications etc.
 
All of their 4 stroke motors are the same except for cylinder/piston right? Always interesting to see what Betas doing, even if you're not into Efi I think it's safe to say they'll have about the best set up. I troll around in the Beta forums and all they seem to talk about is what handlebars and pegs to get :). Anyway, says a lot about quality.

Beta is finally an option for people that like Efi. Hopefully they'll add some small bores in the US a Beta 150 race edition would be nice :)
 
Actually the more I deal with my 511 think that carb would be better for serious enduro or real riding. But here in cali its all designated areas so you are never far from the truck enough to worry. I have even considered a selling my hypermotard to drink some beta coolaid. They just look so extremely well built. Like a works bike and its a base model. The freaking swingarm finish is FANTASTIC. Of all things to see that one really really shows the quality of the bikes. No crappy cast aluminum generic parts. Worth every penny vs the orange bikes.
 
If you have an air cooled DS1100 Hyper with the Marelli injection that can be run open loop don't sell it! They are never coming back, like carbs. I had an '08 all dialed in, race ECU, exhaust, it was awesome. Miss that bike. Selling it to fund the '12 POS GasGas I bought was one of the biggest mistakes I've made.
 
I have a 2010 1100evo that is reflashed with stacks and pod filters, full ti exhaust, and it is incredible. I much prefer the EVO motors over the old 1100DS. Mainly for the heads being much better valve sealing, higher lift cams, and lightweight flywheel/weight reduction. My 1100 EVO would walk a friends equally built 1100DS like it was nothing. We weight the same :). But yes nothing beats the dry clutch bad crank bearing rattle of the v twin duc!

Sport classics are super desireable for some reason? I find them uncomfortable to be honest. IDK.

But yes the ducati EFI is far superior to the overcomplicated bmw FI of my 511.

Then again my old husky 450smr had the main jet vibrate loose one day and had to ride wide open with the hot start on about 7 miles running all the lights and stuff. So I guess carbs can have issues too. Oh and the intake manifold split and had to ride 10 miles wieth the choke on couldnt give it more than 1/8th throttle....

Both have issues I guess :)
 
huskylove said:
Actually the more I deal with my 511 think that carb would be better for serious enduro or real riding. But here in cali its all designated areas so you are never far from the truck enough to worry. I have even considered a selling my hypermotard to drink some beta coolaid. They just look so extremely well built. Like a works bike and its a base model. The freaking swingarm finish is FANTASTIC. Of all things to see that one really really shows the quality of the bikes. No crappy cast aluminum generic parts. Worth every penny vs the orange bikes.
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I've noticed the same thing, lovingly crafted by hand was my impression.
 
As a long time snowmobiler, I have a love/hate relationship with EFI (it's great when it works, and it is beyond frustrating when it fails). That said, Beta has impressed me with their conservative well thought out bikes, and have to believe that if Beta feels it's ready to sell EFI, then their EFI will work brilliantly.
 
huskylove said:
I have a 2010 1100evo that is reflashed with stacks and pod filters, full ti exhaust, and it is incredible. I much prefer the EVO motors over the old 1100DS. Mainly for the heads being much better valve sealing, higher lift cams, and lightweight flywheel/weight reduction. My 1100 EVO would walk a friends equally built 1100DS like it was nothing. We weight the same :). But yes nothing beats the dry clutch bad crank bearing rattle of the v twin duc!

Sport classics are super desireable for some reason? I find them uncomfortable to be honest. IDK.

But yes the ducati EFI is far superior to the overcomplicated bmw FI of my 511.

Then again my old husky 450smr had the main jet vibrate loose one day and had to ride wide open with the hot start on about 7 miles running all the lights and stuff. So I guess carbs can have issues too. Oh and the intake manifold split and had to ride 10 miles wieth the choke on couldnt give it more than 1/8th throttle....

Both have issues I guess :)
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You got home with the carb....that's an issue we like.
 
Did 360 miles of backroads and trails this weekend on two EFI bikes not designed for this kind of riding. How did we ever make it home? The KTM did blow the headlight bulb other than that there was zero need for all the gear we brought. 6000 worry free EFI miles so far. Bike starts and runs like magic. New FMF pipe and JD mapping tweak (push of a few buttons) and bam, gobs of wheelie power and perfect running. I did nothing but do huge wheelies and powerslides all weekend, not a glitch.

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6000 fairly hard core miles George, zero EFI issues. I did the Idaho City ISDE Qualifier with Robert last year (not on this bike), ask him if I'm a foo foo rider. Whatever. Nothing will have carbs in a few years then what will you do?
 
Don't get your panties all tied-up
Didn't mention EFI.
Didn't say anything about riding abilities, as to being a foo foo rider where that come from, so why bring it up?
Why do you read into it, just saying your riding areas are as close to perfect as you can get.
Could be it will finally be perfected to where I can trust it not to let me down.
Until then it's just an old outdated tech called a carb that I can either fix or adapt my riding style to the problem to get to where I'm going.
In some of the very remote areas where I ride and like to ride if I broke down it could become life threatning very quickly.
 
Up-tite said:
Don't get your panties all tied-up
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all good big boy jeans here.

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Up-tite said:
Didn't mention EFI.
Didn't say anything about riding abilities, as to being a foo foo rider where that come from, so why bring it up?
Why do you read into it, just saying your riding areas are as close to perfect as you can get.
Could be it will finally be perfected to where I can trust it not to let me down.
Until then it's just an old outdated tech called a carb that I can either fix or adapt my riding style to the problem to get to where I'm going.
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BS. You suggested my riding was all soft grass EZ going and anything (EFI) would last... (its pretty EZ to read between the lines here)

"No whoops, cool OAT, paved with grass, little mud.
Nothing breaks with conditions like these.
No bike would dare break."

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In some of the very remote areas where I ride and like to ride if I broke down it could become life threatning very quickly.
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Well if I rode areas where I thought I might die I would ride a air cooled kick start bike with a carb. For everything else I'll poke the go button and be on my marry way.
 
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