2015 Beta info - EFI

[shawbagga]

chill you blokes! look like nice riding country there Kelly. shoulda just buried that orange thing in the long grass though

 

[Darkside]

All of their 4 stroke motors are the same except for cylinder/piston right?

Nope. The 350 motor is unique to the 450/500. Interesting that the new 390 motor is based off the 350 motor now and not a 450 sleeved down to a 400, and that the 350 is FI and the 390 is carbed.

 

[XLEnduroMan]

Oh no... from the few post a little bit back in this thread I though I was on TT reading a HR rant.

Back to the sweet new Beta 350. I think it's awesome. I would love one with a license plate. I am a EFI fan. I had a DRZ 400 and didn't like all the fuss with the carb to get it right. I happily sold it to get the plug in a power up TE 630.

 

[Motosportz]

Nope. The 350 motor is unique to the 450/500. Interesting that the new 390 motor is based off the 350 motor now and not a 450 sleeved down to a 400, and that the 350 is FI and the 390 is carbed.

Must be phasing the EFI in as they can and feel comfortable with. Seems like a pretty methodical company.

 

[LandofMotards]

Test
http://enduro21.com/index.php/component/k2/item/1977-tested-–-2015-beta-350-rr

 

[LandofMotards]

Uptite and motosportz should both love this bike lol

Enduro21.com: The fuelling set up is spot on too – it’s the most ‘carburettor like’ EFI system we’ve used and is much smoother on the initial throttle opening than its rivals. -

The interesting part is you can change the amount of engine breaking

 

[Motosportz]

Uptite and motosportz should both love this bike lol

Enduro21.com: The fuelling set up is spot on too – it’s the most ‘carburettor like’ EFI system we’ve used and is much smoother on the initial throttle opening than its rivals. -

The interesting part is you can change the amount of engine breaking

I always liked them Its still EFI so George will not. You can somewhat control the engine braking on the 449/511 too. Sounds like the bike is very good sans the suspension which most people have to modify to their liking anyway.

 

[robertaccio]

PS its be on your merry way not marry way.........just flaming the torch!! breaking balls etc. these bikes are great all are great, they just need more refinement for our silly dusty, bouncy, ragged edge stuff. MX is even different,, and easier to work with EFI...bt it will get there...100+ years of carbs and only a few years of dirtbike EFI. Time will get it all dialed in.

 

[Motosportz]

100+ years of carbs and only a few years of dirtbike EFI. Time will get it all dialed in.

bingo. I already feel like my current EFI is better than any carb I have owned so look forward to even better as it gets refined. right now mine is so dialed it starts perfect, idles perfect, is snappy but forgiving, makes huge power, great MPG and always runs the same. If I am at a loss to what i would "fix" now if I could. It is literally perfect as is. I rode Russes 100% stock FE350 husky (KTM based) and it ran fantastic / perfect.

 

[Up-tite]

Robert's right time will get it dialed in.
The last 6 years with EFI has not been stellar by any means some have been very lucky.
Others not so just go to the EFI threads on CH.
Sometimes I do it a little different first take the front wheel and forks off, compress the rear end of the bike to get it inside my Cessna 206.
I'll fly down 3,4,600 miles into Baja land on a dirt strip,dry lake, or an old lobster strip along the coast. With not a sole in sight for hundreds of miles.
Much of the time just to get somewhere rather than 15+ hour drive. By air takes 4 hours.
While flying looking down trying to figure ways to get somewhere,and for new places to explore or different ways to get from here to there.
Reason reliability is so important to me.
Been doing this for a long time old school way, was Dead Reckoning ,race-course maps and a lot of WAG.
Now GPS and it's Hi Tech approach is really great but it still has issues sometimes,so back to Old School when that happens.
I do know Beta has gone about it differently than everyone else that is in as much as making the EFI work like their Carb set-up, reason for going with Synerject not Mikuni or Keihn
When I know it's perfected I'll probably go to it. Until then I know I can trust a Carb.
Magic button is a must along with K-start for back up.

 

[Cosmokenney]

Do aircraft have EFI?

 

[Up-tite]

Some do and some don't.
Usually a mechanical injection system.
The Turbo is the key gets you above the weather, off the ground with High density alt. power
Dash has 3 knobs
1=throttle
2=Prop pitch (gearing)
3=Mixture (jetting)

 

[Motosportz]

The last 6 years with EFI has not been stellar by any means some have been very lucky.
Others not so just go to the EFI threads on CH.

I'd say the majority of this "issue" is tuning out what they have to do for EPA. Most unrestrained EFI MX bikes run great as they are not ridiculously lean and then fixed so you cant mess with them much (locked down some) and have a bunch of silly things like secondary throttle plates to please the EPA. Then there is the CRAP Mikuni system everyone struggles with. The Keihn stuff has been largely good and reliable. For me personally it has been a very positive experience for me and my needs. My biggest concern (which really is not an issue) is the fuel pump which seems fairly bullet proof on the 449/511 models so far.

 

[shawbagga]

id take the least amount of 'engine breaking' possible if it were my bike LandofMotards

 

[rabskyline]

I'd say the majority of this "issue" is tuning out what they have to do for EPA. Most unrestrained EFI MX bikes run great as they are not ridiculously lean and then fixed so you cant mess with them much (locked down some) and have a bunch of silly things like secondary throttle plates to please the EPA. Then there is the CRAP Mikuni system everyone struggles with. The Keihn stuff has been largely good and reliable. For me personally it has been a very positive experience for me and my needs. My biggest concern (which really is not an issue) is the fuel pump which seems fairly bullet proof on the 449/511 models so far.

EPA doesn't apply to oz. I had the mikuni 2010 te250 , was boggy and crapply suspended.

The new ones with Keihin FI and kayaba suspension are worlds apart, totally different(for the better) beast.

Beta using Sachs on a very expensive bike is silly, if husky can fit keg CC to a cheapo(by comparison) bike, then beta can easily on a bird double it's price point.

 

[shawbagga]

bit of a sticking point for me too(sachs). really like the betas but not sure on the suspension & ktm style airbox.

 

[water racer]

The experts like to rag on Beta suspension, and I am for sure no expert, but I ride Beta and it works better than the Husqvarnas and KTM's that I have ridden previously. Our riding around here is pretty rugged though, so maybe the soft settings are better here.
The Marzocchi's are available as an option.

 

[Kyle Tarry]

What's the issue with Sachs? Maybe the valving isn't quite right, but for the most part forks are forks, and they can all be set up to work well, generally speaking.

I know that the Sachs shocks are very good quality units.

 

[Motosportz]

What's the issue with Sachs?

absolutely nothing. Very good components. Spoke to many suspension tuner about them. Richard at House of Horsepower has been doing these for a good while as he does a lot of GG stuff and some Beta and says they are as good or better than anything.

 

[Kyle Tarry]

It's probably like the Marzocchis where some of the stock valving is really whacky, so guys assume the forks are crappy but it's really just the settings. I'd love to take a look in some Sachs forks, but not many bikes come with them...