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TE/TC New 2021 TE250i

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  1. Russ Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Sydney
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE250i & 701 Enduro, 501 & 630 sold
    I would appreciate your view on the gearing. In Australia it is fitted with a 14 tooth CS sprocket to help meet noise/emission tests, but comes with a 13 as a spare. In my initial ride I didn’t need the lower gearing as the bike had plenty of torque and low speed crawling ability, but the dealer says most owners tend to fit the 13. I understand the US version may come standard with the 13.

    I need to ride about 30 minutes tar to get to where I ride, so the 14 would be preferable for that.
  2. ggg Husqvarna
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    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE250 14
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    NONE
    i run 14/51 and it tops out at 150kph, i only run that set up because i like the lower vibes and revs on transport sections, also it has longer gear pulls for the single track, going to 13 tooth it will just have more snap and spin up the rear easier and feel more powerful, 1 tooth on the front is worth 15kph top speed and one tooth on rear is around 5kph, swapping out to a 13 is easy try it

    i generally run 14 tooth all the time only when i do slow hill climbs a 13 tooth is more suitable.
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  3. Russ Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Sydney
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE250i & 701 Enduro, 501 & 630 sold
    Thank you, very helpful. Standard in Australia is 14:50 so at 14:51 you’ve geared it down a tad.

    I don’t need any more acceleration/snap & like the current spacing between the gears rather than narrowing it too much. Given I need to ride half an hour tar each way at up to 100kmh I might just leave it as it is for now until I get a better feel for it in tight off road. As you say, I can easily swap it, but upping the rear a tooth or two may be better anyway.

    Another photo with the 501, which I’ve now sold just leaving the 250 & 701.
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  4. Motosportz CH Sponsor

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    So... I was pretty happy with the stock suspension... or so I thought. Then along comes Rob and says "Hey you should contact this guy about his fork valves"... um... ok??? I did. Some random dude in SoCal that knows nothing about me or my riding :>) Was going to do up my suspension but then got busy and said he would just send me this cool little base valve he makes that has a high speed comp adjustor and his valving along with the right for spring.

    I've been riding for almost 40 years and for about 20 of them had a lot of suspension work done as well as doing some of my own experimenting with valve stacks, spring rates and fork sub chambers. I am FAR from new at this game. That said I am fortunate enough to have a handful of people offering me suspension services. 2-3 of these guys I use regularly and they do a fantastic job for me. I was not looking for another suspension guy but now I have one.

    Fast forward to last week when these fancy bolt in base valves with high speed adjustors show up. He also sends me the right spring rate for the forks and get this... a progressive spring for the rear??? WFH? This is a linkage bike. He says ya, I know.

    Installed the base valves is silly easy, 17mm allen to remove the stock base valves and the included tool to screw his in with. Thats it, uncrew one part and screw in the new one. Done. Then I flipped the fork over and popped the top cap and installed the stiffer springs. You can do all this in like an hour and leave the stock oil if you want. So freaking simple.

    The shock spring took longer as it is a little work to unearth the shock form the bike.

    All done and the next day looks nice. Quick after work ride before the sunsets to see how bad I ruined the good stock suspension ha ha ha

    I seriously was not prepared for the level of compliance of this setup while maintaining ultimate control. Usually you get uber plush or you get race spped control but rarely do you get both. This setup eats up the terrain in a fashion I have never seen before. Rock gardens disappear. Massive root wads, gone. slamming into hard face foot tall step-ups, no deflection. OK fantastic but this has to be a wallowy mess as easy as it gobbles up the gnar... NOPE. Gets better that faster you go. It's actually mine boggling how well this setup works for me. I have two solid rides now in very rough relentless terrain and can say without flinching, these are the best forks I have ever sampled on my bike or any other. I rode a 2020 KREFT redone bike the other day and it was really good as well. For me not as good as these forks. They way they resist deflecting is magic. I'm learning to pick new lines, in fact learning that line choce is not as important as it was and pick the fast lines not the ones that miss trail crap. The bike actually turns even better too as the front end feels like it never give up contact with the ground no matter how nasty it is. Braking bumps, gone. Root wads, gone. big hits, gone. Jump landings, smooth and controlled. I am and endless suspension adjustor and yesterday I rode a VERY demanding area that is a constant beating, never touched the fork settings, never felt so good and never had so much left at the end of the day. THE FORKS FLAT RULE and you can install this stuff at home in an hour. Brilliant work.

    The progressive shock spring (with stock valving) was at first just OK. Did not really feel any better than the stock spring and I set out to adjust it. Got it closer on my initial 2 hours after work ride. Yesterday was the acid test on the long gnarly high mountain stuff and using info I got from George the suspension guru I set about adjusting it counterintuitive to my initial feelings. HE said a progressive spring needs a different setup. I typically like very little high speed compression to gobble up the rough stuff and roots/rocks. He suggested very little spring preload and adding high speed damping. Hummmm.... OK. I messed with it some through the day and felt like I was getting closer. Near the end of the day I went 2 full turns in on the high speed (way more than I usually run, backed off the low speed which I had added earlier in the day and a few more clicks of rebound to calm the rear end down. Bingo. While it does not quite make everything disappear like the front does it is in itself amazing how composed it is. The level of control I have over this bike right now is nothing short of amazing. The roughest conditions disappear and you can't get the bike our of shape. Pick literally any line you want. The last part of the ride back to the truck is 4.8 miles and 2500 feet elevation loss. its pretty punishing and relentless, lots of deep rutts, roots at crazy angles, rock gardens, sand, a little of everything but mostly a beat down. I stood up the entire way, something I've never been able to do as about half way down I'm just to beat (and this is always the end of the day). Was easy yesterday because of the lack of beating I took all day.

    You can probably read it in my post here but I have never been so impressed by an upgrade to a bike, and I have done decades of upgrades. This is a game changer upgrade. I have ZERO dog in this fight as they say, I dont even know George that sent me this stuff. Talked to him once on the phone and handful of Emails. I am a believer and am fortunate Rob thought of me and reached out. I would have never known about this product and the level of refinement I could have.

    This 2021 TE250i has been an eye opener for me. Working in the industry I get to try a lot of stuff and ride so many bikes. This one has fit me like a glove since day one as new. Then I took a ride class and it also was a huge jump forward. https://cispuscycles.com/ Then I hooked up with Shinko to test and try some of their tires as well as provide input for some upcoming models (not a paid gig just like to work with good peeps in the industry) and have loved some of their tires (fatty front and 520DC rear). Now I added this fantastic suspension and am on cloud 9.

    At 56 years old I was not expecting advancements in my riding. This year has proved that wrong. My typical crew is mentioning how fast I am right now and that this bike is obviously working for me. Funny thing is I'm no longer trying to go fast, I just happen to learn some new riding skills thanks to that class and that in conjunction with how well this bike fits me has pushed me tot he next level. I feel it. I am in that zone all the time now. I feel i can do no wrong on the bike as it works so well and I understand how my balance is key to bringing it all together.

    I love this sport and love moving forward. It's cool how people reach out in the industry and work together. Years ago by chance I came across this fancy carb called the Lectron, found out the company was very cool, worked with the top guys there and sold over 300 carbs in one year and set a whole carb industry up for Lectron. Years ago someone who worked at ZipTy reached out to me about this new "fatty tire", the GT216, I tried it and now it is the go to front for many people. So good.

    Is this the next game changer product... maybe, sure is for me.
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  6. Dirtdame Administrator

    Location:
    Escondido, California
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    07 TE450,11 WR300,13 WR125,18 FE501
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    Suspension 101. He is in our local dualsport club and spends a lot of time out at McCain Valley, testing suspension. A little while ago, he was offering SDAR members free test runs with the valving. I'm sure a lot of them decided to pay to keep the valves.
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  7. Motosportz CH Sponsor

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    I bet!!! So good.
  8. Dirtdame Administrator

    Location:
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    KDX200,Beta XT,MV Agusta Brutale
    That is sometimes the best way to market products....consumer tests and word of mouth. But you already knew that.:cool:
  9. Huskynoobee CH Sponsor ZipTy Racing

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    Castaic, CA
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    2011 TE449 2006 WR250
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    Nice review Kelly. I always wondered about running a progressive spring on a modern bike. Ran one as a kid on my XR200 that I got from XRs Only when Al was still with us. It was a huge upgrade, but always heard the same thing as you that they're only good for PDS bikes. Hmmmm.
  10. Motosportz CH Sponsor

    Location:
    Vancouver WA
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    2021 TE250i, 570 Berg, 500 KTM, 790R
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    many
    The rear is good... But... its that fork base valve mod that's over the top. Stunning performance.
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  11. robertaccio Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    San Diego, Ca
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2017 TX300
    Other Motorcycles:
    92BetaZero260, 01YamahaYZ125
    Always happy to help...haha
    Kelly " I typically like very little high speed compression to gobble up the rough stuff and roots/rocks. He suggested very little spring preload and adding high speed damping. Hummmm.... OK. I messed with it some through the day and felt like I was getting closer. Near the end of the day I went 2 full turns in on the high speed (way more than I usually run, backed off the low speed which I had added earlier in the day and a few more clicks of rebound to calm the rear end down. Bingo."

    Rob "this is where I need to work next thanks for the steps of setting, because I am the same almost full open HSCD my usual set up. I too have the Suspension 101 Noah K inspired rear progressive spring, but I have some shock Comp internal bleed opening modification . So with that set up it appears we are going to let the soft part of the spring work freely for the initial sharp hits and get our comp dampening later into the stroke "
  12. ajaxauto Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    I run 13/52 on my TC 125,TE 150 and TE 300
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    I have a couple hundred miles of gnar on this suspension now. Its SOOOO good. Forks are magic and get even better the harder you push them. You would assume they would turn to a floppy mess as plush as they feel. Nope stay up in the stroke and take any hit you give them with no argument. Bike handles better than ever and my friends tell me they have never seen me so fast (and I'm really not trying at 56 and done racing for the most part) This bike with that suspension and those tires could not really be any better for me. I found it.
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  14. robertaccio Husqvarna
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    Location:
    San Diego, Ca
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    2017 TX300
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    92BetaZero260, 01YamahaYZ125
    My TX300 has a S101 progressive rear spring....for me its about technique to really feel it work, hard to explain but when I ride light (proper) I keep the rear up in the stroke in the soft spring stage and its is so nice, if I ride "lazy" and put a lot of weight into the rear it gets past that initial soft spring level and feels a little low but like a normal spring. In other words when I'm on I'm really on and when I'm not it still does the job. George at S101 uses a local endurocross/enduro pro (name withheld to protect contract!) on the side to test things for R&D.
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  15. ggg Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE250 14
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    NONE
    my 14/250 TE is being rebuilt it did one season of racing and 500 hrs of trail use and finally the crank was out of spec, the crank bearing also were rough and had some play RHS.

    its all going back in and hopefully its going to be alot smoother with less vibes, if not looks like a 21 TE 250 will be the next bike
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  16. ggg Husqvarna
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    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE250 14
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    NONE
    first ride on my 250i its was nice the tip in weight and handling is the biggest stand out