huskydude59
Husqvarna
AA Class
Well I have taken the plunge and bought a JD FI TUNER. Would I be presumptuous to assume I can place my to BF back in...
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TO PCV OR NOT TO PCV THAT IS THE QUESTION
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Husqvarna
huskydude59
Husqvarna
AA Class
Do you have the top BF still in.
James Patton
Husqvarna
AA Class
Outside of cafe husky. road racing, harley davidsons, drag racers, street racers, etc, the powercommander
Is the most successfully used tuner period. Has been for a long time. Used correctly it can solve most fueling,
Timing, accel, starting issues. It requires more than plugging it in, especially on our bikes because most of us
Are looking for low end fueling and most of the maps available are for mid/top end power. With some reading and
Trial and error or dyno time, it can overcome most holes in mapping because of it infinite tunability.
I know some have had success with the JD, but it pales in comparison to the features of PCV.
Just about every motorcycle produced in the U.S. is EPA lean, choked by catylitic converters, with fueling and
Ignition timing to appease the goverment regulations. Any bike with a properly set PCV, will make more horsepower,
and generally run better, than one without.
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Is the most successfully used tuner period. Has been for a long time. Used correctly it can solve most fueling,
Timing, accel, starting issues. It requires more than plugging it in, especially on our bikes because most of us
Are looking for low end fueling and most of the maps available are for mid/top end power. With some reading and
Trial and error or dyno time, it can overcome most holes in mapping because of it infinite tunability.
I know some have had success with the JD, but it pales in comparison to the features of PCV.
Just about every motorcycle produced in the U.S. is EPA lean, choked by catylitic converters, with fueling and
Ignition timing to appease the goverment regulations. Any bike with a properly set PCV, will make more horsepower,
and generally run better, than one without.
I
jerbear610
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Yes, at this point I haven't done the BF mod. For now, my 511 is running flawless. The power is the best it's ever been and I'm content with
the performance. I really think the Auto Tune has made all the difference in the world because it feels like it's getting better and better with every
ride. Also the fact that I'm learning how to use it better. I rode it for quite a while without saving the trims and sending the new map to the PCV.
Now that I've done that the past few rides it just flat out rips. I love it.
Dangermouse449
Husqvarna
Pro Class
If you like your 450/477 to go like one, pull it out.
Now you have a tuner as well you should be able to adjust the mapping & have it ripping through the lower & mid ranges.
The PCV does have more to offer spec wise, if I get bored with my own mods, that'll be what I fit.
For our areas here, better suspension setup will make the bike faster after curing the tuning faults.
Cosmokenney
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Don't bother. See Kelly's threads on the subject. Also, I have a JD with Map #3, butterfly out. Best the bike has ever run. Quite content at this point. I see no reason to put the BF back in.
huskydude59
Husqvarna
AA Class
Well I bit the bullet and installed a JD TUNER power surge x6, the first thing I notice was the power increase.. not too shabby at all. The next thing I noticed was my fuel.consumption... ouch... Dead dry in 100klms. 104 to be exact, not too good... Has any one got some settings in Oz that works pretty good for power/economy.. and will I be able to put my butterfly back now...!!!
Dangermouse449
Husqvarna
Pro Class
You can put the butterfly back in anytime i guess.
Depends if you want it to pull like a 450 down low or not, Entierly your choice.
Personally, if I wanted my bike to ride like a 250 down low & mid range, I would have bought a 250....
None of the tuner boxes control the second fly-by-wire throttle, so it will do exactly as it was programmed to do ex-factory & limit power in the low & mid ranges.
You will be able to make small improvements by trimming maps there, but ultimately will be held back by how much the FBW throttle will open.
Shoot Kelly a message for set-up of the JD - http://www.cafehusky.com/members/motosportz.3/
Cosmokenney
Husqvarna
Pro Class
You can put the butterfly back in anytime i guess.
Depends if you want it to pull like a 450 down low or not, Entierly your choice.
Personally, if I wanted my bike to ride like a 250 down low & mid range, I would have bought a 250....
None of the tuner boxes control the second fly-by-wire throttle, so it will do exactly as it was programmed to do ex-factory & limit power in the low & mid ranges.
You will be able to make small improvements by trimming maps there, but ultimately will be held back by how much the FBW throttle will open.
Shoot Kelly a message for set-up of the JD - http://www.cafehusky.com/members/motosportz.3/
I'm running the JD + BF removed + Map #3. These are the JD settings I use that have my bike running the best it has run:
G - 2.5
Y - 1
R - 2
G/B - 2.5
Y/B - 4.5
R/B - 4.5
I have my Brass Screw at about 2 1/2 - 3 turns out. Just enough to get the idle (warmed up engine idle) slightly higher, but no more. I run Torco Octane booster + Startron in every tank. And I have noticed that these bike are very dependent on a clean - lightly oiled - air filter. To the point where I clean it every 2 - 3 rides dirty or not.
huskydude59
Husqvarna
AA Class
Thanx Cosmo, what type of economy do you get.. I was a bit amazed how much more fuel.mine sucked up...I wasn't riding any faster I know that ****************************************!! Lol
Tinken
Husqvarna
Pro Class
I don't believe that Jerry's 511 absolutely requires the butterfly mod to go like a 450, his system is higher flowing / has the pcv and may very well go better than yours. I was very capable of 61bhp with the butterfly in. Granted I have an extremely high flowing intake/exhaust, removing the butterfly was an absolute nightmare for me. Now with the TC tbi in and my new experimental early model TC450 ecu + pcv I am able to completely decimate the new factory race bikes.
Cosmokenney
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Yea, even before the JD I was a bit surprised at the dirt riding fuel consumption. I have not calculated it out yet. But I remember one ride before I put in the JD where I was down to the point where the fuel light came on on the dash after about 45 miles or less of riding. I'm guessing I was getting about 22 (+/- 5) MPG. Now with the JD, I haven't noticed much difference, but my rides have been shorter so it's hard to say.
Dangermouse449
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Ha ha, when I messaged you last year about the possibility of fitting a different ECU you told me it couldn't be done
(And do I understand you had no idea if I was mechanical or not etc.)
Maybe what you should have said was 'It would be difficult to do'
So I set off on fixing what was there...great to hear it's working for you, sounds great.
As for the power, they do still make great top end power with the butterfly in, just not running to potential everywhere else.
Point is, you don't have to open up the motor to improve bottom & mid where most enduro riding is done....
Tinken
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Ha ha, when I messaged you last year about the possibility of fitting a different ECU you told me it couldn't be done
(And do I understand you had no idea if I was mechanical or not etc.)
Maybe what you should have said was 'It would be difficult to do'
So I set off on fixing what was there...great to hear it's working for you, sounds great.
As for the power, they do still make great top end power with the butterfly in, just not running to potential everywhere else.
Point is, you don't have to open up the motor to improve bottom & mid where most enduro riding is done....
I must of misunderstood what you were asking me at the time because I have always had multiple ecu's for testing. As for the butterfly, it only improves throttle response and does not improve hp anywhere along the power band. When the dual butterfly system is working properly, the engine performs to it's potential everywhere. Nick and Ty raced a stock TXC511, with both butterflies and won, repetitively. They didn't start removing the butterflies until Cory started winning on the TC.
Dangermouse449
Husqvarna
Pro Class
PCV will definately work wonders for the tuning, so will ditching the butterfly, it is surplus to the needs of the engine.
huskydude59
Husqvarna
AA Class
Yeah I was thinking the same thing..I will persist with the X6 and try find the sweet spot. It's all a learning curve...