Innovate Motorsports LC-1 and ibeat tuning

[B_M_F]

Couple of things from my experience with a 09 TE510

1) optimum TPS setpoint provides full throttle of 100.2% - not 102%. This should put the idle position 1011 to 1016mV on my TPS.
2) optimum idle air bleed screw position is 2 3/4 turns out plus minus 1/2 turn. This results in a hot idle 1950-2100rpm. Using this screw to set idle rpm rather than off-idle throttle response did not work. (powered - up)

Right click on my user name and read my posts - but the SMR ECU may not use the same setup reference points as the TE version. This is an important point because i completed a tune on my bike using the Husky race ECU/exhaust insert and the TPS setpoints/screw position etc did not work - and the different ECU completely changed the personality of the bike. (aggressive initial timing curve and accelerator pump emulation is my opinion)

If you really want to optimize the non-powered up/02 sensor in tune - use the long-term adaptation tables in ibeat. For myself the stock ECU's o2 sensor lazy timing curve made the compromises too great vs powered up.

With the stock TE exhaust system, the 02 sensor required the mid-pipe baffle to operate consistantly - especially on overrun and small throttle openings. Since i found clay stains in the midpipe after running a full open exhaust - I would say there is enough external air reflux into the TE exhaust system to throw the system for a loop without the baffle.

One the keys (for me) when I first started using ibeat to mark 20% / 40% / 70% throttle on the twist grip assembly with a white paint pen. This gave me the refererence points on the center vales of co1/2/3. To put a little more fuel at 30% throttle - move co1 and co2 together at 1/2 value your would a single adjustment.

The wideband sensor is nice - but you already know the engine wants what it wants and that varies with the load/fuel distillation curve/ignition curve/intake temp/ and rpm. I tend towards lean low throttle settings and rich large throttle settings and let the accelerator pump emulation cover the hole in the transition. Fuel injection keeps the droplet size pretty consistent regardless of the intake tract air velocity - so it's easier to achieve this than with a carb.

Have lots of fun tweaking and keep good notes. The real test is plugging back in the previous valves after the latest "breakthrough" and realizing your nuts!

MAT

Your the MAN MAT! this adjustment fixed my exact issue with the performance! When i had the bike stock it surged like crazy under WOT got the power up kit that surge went away but a new one developed at very low rpm choppy etc. But now it runs soo smooth and throttle feed back is easy to predict also my clutch use hase gone way DOWN!

 

[Tech 3]

Well did not get to do any more testing today too
busy in the shop Man a day not ridden your bike is like a day with
out sunshine,here is where i left off
TPS at WOT 100.2
TPS mv 1001-1001
co1 100.5
co2 102.0
co3 102.0
Bike runs sweet next step is put it on the Dyno this week and see what
is up there, how much horse power and torque this thing puts out
and if the co settings hold up or if we can improve on them

 

[B_M_F]

Well did not get to do any more testing today too
busy in the shop Man a day not ridden your bike is like a day with
out sunshine,here is where i left off
TPS at WOT 100.2
TPS mv 1001-1001
co1 100.5
co2 102.0
co3 102.0
Bike runs sweet next step is put it on the Dyno this week and see what
is up there, how much horse power and torque this thing puts out
and if the co settings hold up or if we can improve on them

your just using the ibeat for your future dyno run or did you get the pcv?

 

[Tech 3]

I am going to use the ibeat to set the ECU co values if any
changes are needed, according to my A/F gage everything is sweet,
But i want to compare them to the readings we get from
the dyno software on the air fuel ratios, gonna try some of the co blending
that mat talked about in his threads and see what happens, I hope the ibeat
is all that i might need, if not then i will move on from there.

 

[tuplavee]

Do you think i have too much oil in my airfilter?

Also got Innovate installed few hours ago, and started the bike. AFR seemed to be somewhere at 11.5 at totally idle 1850rpm. Co1 was set at 101%

Did'nt have time to do more testing and didnt want to piss neighbours with my opened pipes. Will go for a testdrive later...

 

[Tech 3]

Do you think i have too much oil in my air filter?

Also got Innovate installed few hours ago, and started the bike. AFR seemed to be somewhere at 11.5 at totally idle 1850rpm. Co1 was set at 101%

Didn't have time to do more testing and didn't want to piss neighbors with my opened pipes. Will go for a test drive later...

Did you just clean and re oil your filter if so that could be why you are a little rich, my co1
is at 100% at idle my A/F is at 12.9 my co1 is at 100% but i am running rich at cruse in third and forth gear, A/F around 11.8 throttle at about 10% open but when you crack it open past 10% throttle the A/F goes up to 13.2-13.5 I'm still trying to figure this mikuni EFI out ,stay in touch and let us know how you are doing with yours.
Having a way to see the air fuel in real time can be a curse
Bill Tech 3

 

[tuplavee]

Yes, Air filter has quite fresh and sticky(BelRay) oil in it.

I tried to adjust CO1 to get idle mixture leaner, but i had to go all the way to 96% when it was somewhere at 13.0
But then it was wayy too lean when I went for a ride. So backed it up and even put +1 in it.

I'm running now at 102, 103 and 102.
Totally idle is at 12.00(it changed when engine got hot, i think). It bounces up when very slighty giving gas.
5-30% thorttle opening(cruise speeds) it's 13.2-13.5.

When giving WOT at low rpms, it first goes to 14 for a half second , evenly richering and when going to higher rpms, it goes to 11.5

I only have this weekend to make settings, I have only borrowed Innovate from a friend and rented iBeat wich i have to send back monday.

It really is kinda tricky when having only three adjustments and not able to adjust invidually for different RMPs etc...
But I just borrowed these after gutting my stock pipes to make sure bike is not running dangerously lean.Wich I think it wasnt.

 

[Tech 3]

Sounds like your on it
I am going to mess with my F/I this weekend also, i think we have a similar set up
power up and opened up stock cans, i will let you know what i find out
we can com pair notes.

 

[B_M_F]

any updates?

 

[Tech 3]

any updates?

No new updates
The bike runs great no issues other than just off idle a little rich,
I think the only way to get rid of that is to go with a PCV
but I think I can live with It running a little rich just off idle,
The only other thing that has been done is changed over to
a single exhaust and got a dirt wheel set up for off road fun

 

[B_M_F]

No new updates
The bike runs great no issues other than just off idle a little rich,
I think the only way to get rid of that is to go with a PCV
but I think I can live with It running a little rich just off idle,
The only other thing that has been done is changed over to
a single exhaust and got a dirt wheel set up for off road fun

nice! i guess you didn't take it to the dyno then? what is the climate like where you live? might use your i beat values as a test.

 

[Tech 3]

I never got to the Dino, I had a couple of chances but every time
it came up I thought what for I don't use all the power it has
and with out the PCV I really cant dial out the off idle rich spot,
so now I just enjoy the bike and not tinkering with it at all
other than regular maintenance
It has 3000 miles so far thats what I have put on it in 4 months

I am located in the mid west and the weather will shut things down
here in a little while

 

[B_M_F]

Well thats good to hear im debating a pc v still but im in the same boat as you. Im actually very happy with the motor right now.

 

[Tech 3]

Well thats good to hear im debating a pc v still but im in the same boat as you. Im actually very happy with the motor right now.

Thats the main thing if you are happy with the way it runs
I think if I was racing I might want to tweak it for all it's worth
but for me I just do a little Dual sport and trail riding and it runs great for that
besides that it does not get ran real hard I want to see how long I can run this
motor with out having to rebuild any thing so far over 100 hours and have not even
had to adjust the vallves.
Good to hear from ya

 

[B_M_F]

curious when you are using a voltage meter to see the TPS values where are you getting the readings from? where do i need to contact the right wires?

 

[Tech 3]

I am using the ibeat to set voltage on the TPS
I just checked it yesterday and it was off it was reading 100.1
at WOT, I had to set it back to 100.2% at WOT the voltage is at 1001mv
with this setting
I cant remenber where but there is a guy who posted which wires to read
off of with a volt meter i will see if i can find it for ya.

 

[B_M_F]

thanks i have the bike apart right now im looking also.... What setting should my meter be on? im not good with electronics... mine has like 6 settings Vac, Dac, omega symbol? uadc?

 

[Tech 3]

U want volts dc set it to the lowest setting on the meter cause you want to to read mili volts
which is less than a volt

 

[B_M_F]

ok thanks any luck on the wires? i cant find anything.. I am just setting it by rpms since the volt meter would put me right about at 1950 t0 2100 rpm...

 

[Tech 3]

Did not find any thing on the wires but that is a good idea
as far as setting the idle rpm
yesterday i reset my tps to 100.2% at 1001mv and took it out today and now it is idle
at 2300 2400 I am going to have to look into this more
I am also talking to another dude about what it will take to put a carb on it
I'm not real impressed with the EFI
ONWARD THROUGH THE FOG