sharpie1
Husqvarna
AA Class
The Michellin will throw knobs as well. Real trials tires will not last long 300-400 miles, the best gripping (shortest life) I've tried is the IRC, crazy sticky tire.
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Anyone running a trials rear tire?
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Runner
Husqvarna
AA Class
The Pirelli MT43 is a bias belted tire with a stiffer side wall than the radial construction of the others. I found on my TE510 it was so large in overall diameter that an extra chain link was needed to keep it off the shock absorber mud flap. IMHO the MT43 is a great DS tire run at 12 PSI.
Aaron8
Husqvarna
AA Class
OK, I'll be THAT guy...I have a MT43 on my TE310 X-Lite right now, and while it's OK, I'm going back to a knobby next time.
I had an MT43 on my DRZ, and I loved it in that application. I think the fatter low-speed torque of the DRZ fit nicely with the tire, and it was a revelation on the street! I found it "tracked" reassuringly in the dirt, making the heavier DRZ a bit less of a fright on fast fire roads. Hooked up the same as a knobby everywhere except sand and downhill braking. For that bike, in the open, dry, rocky, loose dirt I ride, I don't think I could have had a better tire on it.
On the 310, it's a different story. It's hard to put my finger on a reason, but I just don't don't find it as "involving" as a knobby. On the TE, I LIKE the rear to spin up a little more-it's still totally controllable. I LIKE like a little slide in the corners, it's fun with the TE's lighter, more precise handling. I can rear-steer with a knobby. Downhill braking is better with a knobby. The MT43 is taller and it has cost me a mudflap.
The little TE likes (demands?) a completly different riding position and style than the DRZ. I'm calling the shots with the 310 rather than the DRZ controlling me. The TE's responses are light-years faster. Maybe that's it? I really don't know..
I'll miss the extra wear and street goodness of the MT43, but that's about it.
I had an MT43 on my DRZ, and I loved it in that application. I think the fatter low-speed torque of the DRZ fit nicely with the tire, and it was a revelation on the street! I found it "tracked" reassuringly in the dirt, making the heavier DRZ a bit less of a fright on fast fire roads. Hooked up the same as a knobby everywhere except sand and downhill braking. For that bike, in the open, dry, rocky, loose dirt I ride, I don't think I could have had a better tire on it.
On the 310, it's a different story. It's hard to put my finger on a reason, but I just don't don't find it as "involving" as a knobby. On the TE, I LIKE the rear to spin up a little more-it's still totally controllable. I LIKE like a little slide in the corners, it's fun with the TE's lighter, more precise handling. I can rear-steer with a knobby. Downhill braking is better with a knobby. The MT43 is taller and it has cost me a mudflap.
The little TE likes (demands?) a completly different riding position and style than the DRZ. I'm calling the shots with the 310 rather than the DRZ controlling me. The TE's responses are light-years faster. Maybe that's it? I really don't know..
I'll miss the extra wear and street goodness of the MT43, but that's about it.
No they don't work well on the front.....they require a huge amount of weight on the front wheel to bite.
I know one guy who uses one on the front but he has to stand over the bars all the time...like a trials bike with no seat.
Biggziff
Husqvarna
A Class
kjclark7
Husqvarna
AA Class
curious as to what gearing your running and how many links in your chain.
is the mt43 that much bigger than the mt16? i've got a mt43 on order and am currently running a mt16 with 13/50 gearing.
sharpie1
Husqvarna
AA Class
12psi! IMO that is too much air. All I run now is the mt43 but at 8-10 psi, the higher the psi the less traction. Trials tires are made to run low pressure, even at highway speeds I have no issues running 8psi.
lambe67
Husqvarna
B Class
im running the pirelli, i used it for the first time this weekend. We ridemostly single track with roots rocks and logs worked really well except when i hit a mud hole, was stuck there for a little, but it cleaned out pretty quickly. it also worked well in the open trails at higher speeds. this was on a txc310 with the pirelli scorpion XC front
MT16 is a big tire also....I'd say about the same as a MT43.
I'd go 51t with a TT on the rear.
Runner
Husqvarna
AA Class
I'm running a 15 tooth countershaft sprocket and the stock 50 tooth in back. I like my bike geared tall to reduce engine speed generated vibration.
Runner
Husqvarna
AA Class
Yes, trials tires like low pressures, and when purely off-road, I can air it down further. On dirt roads and pavement, 12 psi works fine.
kjclark7
Husqvarna
AA Class
15 tooth is just too tall for the riding here in northern nj. too many rocks, hills and technical single track for that gearing. i'm just hoping that i don't have to put a new longer chain on because of the mt43.
lankydoug
Husqvarna
Pro Class
You could go to 12:48 and that would effectively let you move the axle back. I ran a 13:53 and a 13:50 with the MT43 and I had to add a link. Remember if it clears by only a little it will still rub the mud flap at high speed because it has a square profile and grows like a drag slick. The high speed growth is a good thing in my opinion because it's like having an extra gear.
FirstEliminator
Husqvarna
AA Class
I have a trials tires front and rear on my Berg 550. I'e been over 80 mph and it felt o-k. The guy I go riding with likes to dual sport and rides a lot of roads. After many miles, my rear tire has about 4 center knobs left. But, it also has quite bit of time on it. Not sure how much. Since I am doing a fair amount of road riding, I am going to try a Kenda K270 front and rear. These are a dual purpose tire. The knob pattern has the looks of a trials tire. I suppose it is probably a stiffer compound. We'll see how it handles off road.
About a front trials tire, why wouldn't it stick well on rocks and anywhere else that is a hard surface? I have had one on the front and never noticed it to be slippery.
I am not sure if I will ever run a knobby on the rear again. Unless I know I am going through mostly swamp. There are trials tires on the rear of my Berg 501, Husky 430 and the Berg 550. When I get one of the vintage huskys going I will probably put a trails tire on it. From the reports I have read about trials tires I think I will be going with a Pirelli MT43 for my next one. Which might be soon if the Kendas don't work well on rocks.
A little about me. I am a C rider that doesn't ride very much lately. The only things that get pushed to the limits are my body and the clutch....and the plastics too. So after all I wrote above, without having the trophies to back it up I should say, if you re curious, give it a try. That is what I am doing with the Kendas. If you are on or near my level of riding, then using a front trials tire isn't going to matter much. It's a small gamble.
About a front trials tire, why wouldn't it stick well on rocks and anywhere else that is a hard surface? I have had one on the front and never noticed it to be slippery.
I am not sure if I will ever run a knobby on the rear again. Unless I know I am going through mostly swamp. There are trials tires on the rear of my Berg 501, Husky 430 and the Berg 550. When I get one of the vintage huskys going I will probably put a trails tire on it. From the reports I have read about trials tires I think I will be going with a Pirelli MT43 for my next one. Which might be soon if the Kendas don't work well on rocks.
A little about me. I am a C rider that doesn't ride very much lately. The only things that get pushed to the limits are my body and the clutch....and the plastics too. So after all I wrote above, without having the trophies to back it up I should say, if you re curious, give it a try. That is what I am doing with the Kendas. If you are on or near my level of riding, then using a front trials tire isn't going to matter much. It's a small gamble.
josh310
Husqvarna
AA Class
well i had the dunlop 803 and love it. I had always been a knobby guy until i tried the 803. I wore it out in about 400 miles and i was a little disappointed at the life span. This week end i put a scorpion knobby back on my bike and all i got to say is that i am going to order a mt43 trials tire tonight. I think the trials tire out performs the knobby in every way except grass tracks and mud. We don't have many grass tracks up here in idaho in fact is fifteen years never road one and as far as mud goes there isn't much of that this time of year.
Runner
Husqvarna
AA Class
You might be able to add a link to your chain to clear the mud flap. That's all my bike needed. Oh yeah, your seat will be noticeably taller.
Try a one tooth smaller C/S sprocket to lower gearing (which you will need) and set the wheel back a bit.
kjclark7
Husqvarna
AA Class
how do you add a link to the chain? would you need 2 master links then?
i actually just did the exact opposite. i was running 12/50 on my bike but recently installed a rekluse zstart pro. i then put a 13 tooth on the front to take the abruptness out of the bottom end. there's no worry of stalling with the rekluse now.