Which battery?

Discussion in '610/630' started by Durruti, Jan 11, 2015.

  1. Huskyfly Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    North of the Columbia River, WA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    Looking for my next Husky......
    Other Motorcycles:
    2016 Africa Twin, 2013 TE310
    Wow.......that's some crazy battery stories, I didn't know this was hot topic?!

    Earth-X....hmmmm
  2. CJBROWN Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Orange County, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE630
    Other Motorcycles:
    '15 R1200GS
    On the latter, why I wouldn't buy a lithium battery for my motorcycle, plus the cost is stupid IMO. Saving 5lbs on a 350lb bike also makes no sense to me. It's still a heavy pig of a dirtbike. Or as we tend to say, it is what it is. LOL. Let's see, at $250 that's $50 a pound to save weight, which is not in my reality. But then it doesn't make sense to me to spend a grand on an exhaust system to save five or ten pounds either. I'm getting more practical in my old age. :D

    On the former, I did a little research here on AGM's...from Northern Arizona Wind and Sun, a company I trust about batteries, they are an outstanding supplier of low voltage components, and solar equipment:
    AGM's have a very low self-discharge - from 1% to 3% per month is usual. This means that they can sit in storage for much longer periods without charging than standard batteries. The Concorde batteries can be almost fully recharged (95% or better) even after 30 days of being totally discharged.


    They have an excellent FAQ on batts in general here: http://www.solar-electric.com/deep-cycle-battery-faq.html

    It looks like we both need to give a little on how they hold up - they discharge a bit less than I thought and a bit more than you thought. I also suspect as they age their rate increases, or their peak capacity diminishes, so I hold to my claim that they need to be on a trickle charger if you're not going to use the machine for more than a couple of weeks. I know from experience if you don't maintain them they will measure out at about 12.4V which is about 50-60 percent of charge. Not where I want my battery to be sitting for when I want to cold-start the bike and ride it. I want it closer to 80-90%. Plus if you leave it discharged it diminishes its capacity over time and shortens its overall life.

    PWC's (personal watercraft) are highly known to have ruined batteries from sitting over winter. They all have a motorcycle type agm starting battery.
  3. Guoseph Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Alameda, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    FE501S
    Other Motorcycles:
    Honda VFR800, KTM 525 EXC
    I got an EarthX for my 250 and it seems to work great. The only thing with those is that the fasteners they use for the EarthX are huge (M6?), I had to drill out the holes on the battery connectors to fit the EarthX.

    @CJBROWN which model AGM did you get from Battery Mart for the 630? How fast is their shipping?

    Thanks
  4. CJBROWN Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Orange County, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE630
    Other Motorcycles:
    '15 R1200GS
    http://www.batterymart.com/p-ytx14-...Category_Code=husqvarna-te610e-sm610s-battery

    $50 free ship, one year warranty. I think it took about 2-days. And now I'm on their mailing list and get something in my inbox almost every day. LOL

    The way everyone carries on about batteries I was really skeptical. A Yuasa from MCSS is about $80 IIRC. Even a Walmart powersport batt is about $65 - which I have used before and they were fine. I think they come from Johnson-Controls and quality is decent. But I figured for fifty bucks I'd give it a whirl, if it was junk and crapped out I'd go a different route.

    The external quality is the same as any other powersport battery I've used. I installed it about a year ago and so far it is just like any other agm powersports battery I've used over the years. I keep a smart charger on it when it's parked in the garage for long periods - a Shumaker smart charger from wally-fart. Most of my riding miles get put on the Tiger 800.

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    EDIT. I'm now shopping for house batteries for the motorhome. I put 2 6V golf cart batteries in series in it and they have been absolutely fantastic. Like 220AH of power. That was 7 years ago. One of them finally won't hold charge, looks like a shorted plate. The other one is still good. They were $75 back then, likely costco or Sam's. So everybody raves about Trojan - list is $190 each. I found a retailer out here that sells them for $120 each so I'll likely go that route. US Battery has them for about ten bucks less but the cases are lighter and they tend to bulge over time. And of course they are an unknown quantity (quality). For a seven year life the extra $20 is well worth it for the top brand I guess.
  5. Guoseph Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Alameda, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    FE501S
    Other Motorcycles:
    Honda VFR800, KTM 525 EXC
    Cool, Thanks. I'm gonna get one of these and see how they work.
  6. XLEnduroMan Heroes Ride Huskys. The others follow.

    Location:
    Durham, CA.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '18 Husqvarna 701 Enduro.
    Other Motorcycles:
    '20 Ducati Hypermotard 950.
    I disconnect my negative cable if I am not going to ride it the next day. I hook it back up and put the tender on it before riding. Usually only takes 5 minutes or less to get the green light. Still on the stock Yuasa's.
  7. CJBROWN Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Orange County, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE630
    Other Motorcycles:
    '15 R1200GS
    Too fiddly. A SAE connector is a lot more convenient, plus can be used for other accessories like pump, phone charger, heated vest, etc.
    One of my dealers installs one on every new bike so they can keep the batts topped up on the floor. So their bikes come with one.

    These are about $2 at an electronics parts store. I put fused leads on the accessories I plug in, or you can wire in a fuse holder.

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  8. Coop610 Husqvarna
    B Class

    Location:
    Acme Pa
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2006 TE610
    Other Motorcycles:
    1982 Suzuki PE 175
    I tried to start mine yesterday and it was dead. I put the battery (A Battery Mart battery but I do not know how old) on the charger yesterday but today it still won't even turn the lights on when I turn the key today. I need to check for a blown fuse but I suspect I will be buying a battery. It's partially my fault because I have battery tenders on all my bikes but this one lol.
  9. Thumperama Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    McKinney, TX
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2011 TE 630
    Other Motorcycles:
    Husaberg, Ducati, Triumph, Aprilia
    I found this on the Husaberg forum and it does an excellent job of explaining some of the technical differences with the different battery options. It's up to you what would satisfy your needs and your budget. These types of threads (like threads on oil or tires) can quickly turn into a complete a waste of time due to overbearing opinions based more on what was read vs. real life experience.

  10. Theo Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Lombardy, Italy
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    SM 610 I.E.
    Other Motorcycles:
    2001 YZ250
    As a matter of fact, in Ballistic bateries the cells are 4 or a multiple of it:
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    and here they say that the Ballistic Professional Intelligent Digital Balance Charger has "the ability to charge each cell or series individually."

    I had a friend who had an SM 610. He spent much money trying to lessen its weight: he removed the battery and installed a little capacitor in lieu. He used to start the bike (making great efforts) with a kickstarter he installed. He removed the honk, the passenger footpegs, etc. and, eventually, he said that, considering the weight removed and the weight added, the bike was something like 13 kg lighter. He was jealous of his bike and never let me ride it, but I got on it without starting it and it really seemed to be much lighter than mine, which was totally OEM. He said that, if you remove a gram here and another there, in the end you'll have removed kilos. Yes, a CRF is lighter, but its reliability is much worse.

    When my OEM battery failed, I installed the lithium one both in order to save weight and to fix an issue: the older one was all dented and, at that time, I didn't use to have trackdays and to jump in dirt sections of SM tracks. I thought that landing from jumps would have been even worse for the battery. The little Ballistic is protected by polystirene sheets (since it's small, there's room for them) and doesn't have the same problem. Furthermore, since it's dry, there's no possibility of acid leaks.
  11. Coop610 Husqvarna
    B Class

    Location:
    Acme Pa
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2006 TE610
    Other Motorcycles:
    1982 Suzuki PE 175
    I am not concerned about weight savings, these are heavy bikes and for the type of riding I do, I doubt I really doubt I would even notice a lighter battery lol. I just ordered a Yuasa yesterday, I have had good success with them so we'll see.
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  12. Grid Runner Husqvarna

    Location:
    Plugging and putting holes in people, NorCal.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2009 TE610
    Other Motorcycles:
    Triumph Tiger 1050, Suzuki TS250 2s.
    My battery was dead as well, so I went to the dealer today and picked up this puppy for about 160.

    It's smaller than the existing battery was, and amazingly light. It's almost comically light. Shit, my Lipo for my Traxxas Slash weighs more than this thing does. It's easily 1/5th the weight of the battery I took out of the Husky.
    Amazing. Bike fired right up, too. :thumb
    It's got a pretty cool battery indicator on the top as well where you can see how full the battery is.
    The box is the same size as the battery that came out of the Husky.
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  13. Grid Runner Husqvarna

    Location:
    Plugging and putting holes in people, NorCal.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2009 TE610
    Other Motorcycles:
    Triumph Tiger 1050, Suzuki TS250 2s.
  14. Brzoza Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    Vancouver BC
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2016 husqvarna FE501s
    Picked up the same battery, It's tiny. 8.8 lbs/4kg lighter than stock. Works so far.
    WPS and te630 stock:
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  15. CJBROWN Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Orange County, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    TE630
    Other Motorcycles:
    '15 R1200GS
    Uhm, those two lipo's are obviously not the same battery models, right?

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  16. 268fords Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Powell, Wyoming
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    08' TE510'
    Other Motorcycles:
    Honda CRF 100, Kawasaki KLX 110
    I've had good luck so far with my shorai. I've had it for about 2 years so far. No trickle charger what so ever. The starter spins a lot faster than the yuasa did. When it's cold, I have yet to try to start without bumping the start button 2 or 3 times to warm it up, so I'm unsure of cold cold starting. It's being tested right now for long term storage since I had my wrist operated on. I took the bike for a 20 mile ride the day before surgery, and put it on the stand and disconnected the battery. I will check it in a couple months when I'm able to turn a wrench!
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  17. reveille Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Northern Illinois
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2014 FE501
    Other Motorcycles:
    2015 300 XC W
    Hope your recovery goes well.
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  18. Kam1 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    N.Idaho
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    04 TC 450
    Other Motorcycles:
    2015 KTM 300xcw- sold// 2016 wr450
    Shorai in my 04 tc450 3 years still great, when cold starting crank it 3 or 4 times to warm it up and fires better than lead acid. Lead Acid batteries lasted 2 seasons tops- bike vibrates, real rocky rough terrain, you could shake one of them and hear the plates rattle.
  19. Brzoza Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    Vancouver BC
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2016 husqvarna FE501s

    The LiPo from GridRunner has the battery tester button slightly lowered, but they look similar in size.

    After installing the new battery it's nice to have free space under the seat for a little compressor I'm using.