I always found the UHD tube to want to move around more. Even with 10psi in my MT43 the valve stem would be really bent in about 5 minutes of riding. With the natural rubber HD tube as long as I did not use any powder they seemed to stay put. But if I get the really thin Michelin I might be tempted to try a UHD again.
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All 2st Trials tires on a 2T
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I marked the tire to make sure it was not moving to see if I needed another rim lock. The tube just likes to move on it's own. I even reset it once on the trail, rode gently on a gravel road for 5 minutes while not touching the rear brake and it still moved. Maybe the UHD is tough enough that it is not a problem but I was alway worried about a blow out at high speed.
motosapiens
Husqvarna
A Class
i just ignore mine. they move around, but I used the same one for about 12,000 miles before I got a ginormous pinch cut trying to go too fast and hitting a huge sharp rock i didn't see. never had a problem with crooked valve stem.
motosapiens
Husqvarna
A Class
I have tried both the michelins (2 tube type x-11 radial and 2 of the bias-ply cheaper ones), and also the dunlop (4 or so dunlops so far), and also a tubeless radial michelin I found on a fence at starvation ridge. The one I found on the fence was a real bizatch to install. otherwise, using a little wd40, good tire levers, and proper technique in keeping the bead down in the center well to create slack, they all seem to be about the same to install. but i change alot of tires, so i stay in practice and it goes pretty quick for me. Usually 2 beers total to change both tires leisurely in the garage. I can do it in 1/2 beer in camp when someone flats and we're in a hurry.
Enmerdeur
Husqvarna
AA Class
Here are my random thoughts after running trials tires for 6+ years
1. If you are going to run them with a tube you need to run 2 rim locks roughly opposite of each other.
2. Braking sucks with trials tires the heavier the bike the worse it is.
3. Michelin or Bridgestone UHD tubes work best.
4. Michelin tubeless X-11 is by far the best for pure grip. It is the squirmy-ish of them all though.
5. The Pirelli MT-43 is by far the most versatile and most normal feeling tire (read non-squirmy-ish). Bonus is it is DOT approved.
6. After years of experience I wouldn't ever even bother running a trials tire without the Tubliss system. It is so superior and eliminates pinch flats.
For single track there is nothing better. Run it at 6 PSI with a Tubliss and you will be a hero.
1. If you are going to run them with a tube you need to run 2 rim locks roughly opposite of each other.
2. Braking sucks with trials tires the heavier the bike the worse it is.
3. Michelin or Bridgestone UHD tubes work best.
4. Michelin tubeless X-11 is by far the best for pure grip. It is the squirmy-ish of them all though.
5. The Pirelli MT-43 is by far the most versatile and most normal feeling tire (read non-squirmy-ish). Bonus is it is DOT approved.
6. After years of experience I wouldn't ever even bother running a trials tire without the Tubliss system. It is so superior and eliminates pinch flats.
For single track there is nothing better. Run it at 6 PSI with a Tubliss and you will be a hero.
edmoto
Husqvarna
AA Class
A clarification for my part: Have we all been talking about using trials tire on the rear ONLY, or front and rear? I've been thinking of using one on the rear only, but is there any advantage to doing both rims? And when using the tubliss system, is it safe to assume if you get a puncture (lots of cactus where I ride), can it be plugged like a radial? I would think so, but I've never used tubliss to be certain.
lankydoug
Husqvarna
Pro Class
I use a trials tire on the rear only but use Tubliss on both front and rear. Yes you can fix them with the worm patches but I run about 6oz. of flat fix like Slime but I prefer the white Berrymans brand and so far I have never needed a patch. Another plus is that the fix-a-flat keeps the seepage around the rim to a minimum. I use a MX knobby on the front and I use a lot of front brake probably more than most riders. I doubt I would like a front trials tire at high speed on anything slick.
Blakelpd5
Husqvarna
Pro Class
I'm pretty sure beer consumption is a measurement of time. Nice!!!
lankydoug
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Plus if you go from metric beers to time it takes 2.54 more beers to make one which equals a coons age in hillbilly.
Enmerdeur
Husqvarna
AA Class
edmoto
Husqvarna
AA Class
Thanks Enmerdeur. I used to be a semi daily reader of ADVrider, until in my opinion, it became a victim of its own success. There are threads on there that are over 700 pages long! As an American living in the 21st century, I can only accept responsibility for having 15 seconds of attention for anything, and only if it has pictures to look at! Doing searches on that forum has really become a "finding a needle in a haystack" proposition. A very nice forum, just so HUGE now. I like this forum waaay better. Anyways, back on topic: I'll be getting an 18" rim laced up, MT43 mounted with an appropriate sprocket mounted on it (and rear disc) so I can swap out from dirt knobby to trials tire as needed. It appears for lighter bikes like the Husky 125, a trials tire is the cat's meow for the type and riding I do (Rocky Mountain ATV trails, rocks, dry dirt, slow and technical riding). Thanks all.
CJBROWN
Husqvarna
AA Class
+1 - Obviously from someone with experience with these tires.
My two cents...
- MT43 has a stiffer sidewall and works the best for a trailbike. It is also the least cost - $72 at MCSS right now.
- Last 2-3 times as long as a regular knobby.
- I love it on my KTM250 but probably won't run one on the TE630. It's too skinny and too soft for the latter.
- I have not invested in Tubliss, run HD tube. Currently the stem is pointing the opposite one would think, from braking. Second rim lock a possibility.
- Have never had a flat, on any tire, offroad. Guess I've been really lucky for thousands of miles.
- 9-10lbs on desert (high speed), 6-8 on single track in the woods. Even works in a sand wash, go figure.
- Eco-friendly - does not tear up trails. Great for riding single track in sensative areas. Pretty much a requirment if want to ride the Piutes here in CA. Also the e-ticket for rocky rides like Moab.
- A soft to intermediate MX tire works best on the front or you will experience washouts on any soft terrain.
- An MT43 turns a KTM200 (or any lightweight offroad bike) into a trials machine for trail. Will go through anything.
At the start of our ride some of them youngsters looked at this old man with a trials tire on the back and went "WTF???" I think there were a few converts after that trip.
CJBROWN
Husqvarna
AA Class
Searches on ADV are easy using Google. Using this syntax, type into the google search window: site:advrider.com search terms
and it will bring up all threads containing your search words, on the ADVRider website. No, you don't italicise your search terms, just done here for clarity.
CJBROWN
Husqvarna
AA Class
A riding buddy on a 525EXC tried an IRC some time ago and hated it. Chewed it up in no time. Recently he thought he would try one, just one more time, a Pirelli this time, and he's now another rider that is sold for life. The guy is a maniac on a motorcycle.
racemx904
Husqvarna
Pro Class
I think the first one I got was a IRC too....it was horrible and scary at times...I wont go with any other tire than a MX31 on the front tho....
I just hope with the terrian here that it will work good...we have roots gallor....little spider web roots right near the surface, big diaginal ones and tons of sharp edge rocks...
I would think I would do alright since I am a very heavy front brake user....
I just hope with the terrian here that it will work good...we have roots gallor....little spider web roots right near the surface, big diaginal ones and tons of sharp edge rocks...
I would think I would do alright since I am a very heavy front brake user....
CJBROWN
Husqvarna
AA Class
Any rider worth his salt has figured out how to brake the crap out of the front. Another reason I like a soft to intermediate front.
Downhill the trials tire can feel a little greasy. Scared the crap out of me the last major down scramble I hit, but it made it. You just can't let it lock up or there's nothing. Mine won't compression start my 250 in gear, so if you stall it you better figure out how to hit the button before you go over the bank (or the bars.).
Downhill the trials tire can feel a little greasy. Scared the crap out of me the last major down scramble I hit, but it made it. You just can't let it lock up or there's nothing. Mine won't compression start my 250 in gear, so if you stall it you better figure out how to hit the button before you go over the bank (or the bars.
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