sharpie1
Husqvarna
AA Class
Yes the CA Cycle Works pump has a barbed outlet. That doesn't seem to be your new issue though. Make sure your hose is fuel injection hose, it looks like your got it to stay on.
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To those who have replaced their fuel pump...
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Husqvarna
Yes the CA Cycle Works pump has a barbed outlet. That doesn't seem to be your new issue though. Make sure your hose is fuel injection hose, it looks like your got it to stay on.
sharpie1
Husqvarna
AA Class
Also, I know it's more money but you can get this complete pump for $230 and be done with it (at least for a while).
http://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=5926
Plus these guys ship pretty fast...
http://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=5926
Plus these guys ship pretty fast...
Robert Gulden
Husqvarna
A Class
It's bad enough that your hose is soft, I think making it smaller would only add to your problems.
Ooops, wrong forum!
13101093
Husqvarna
B Class
haha, hmm yes wrong forum.
Well i think i will go for the aprilia pump... and use my repaired on as a spare, i know that if i am pushing my bike up out of a valley with a problem with the pump then i would be happy to pay $230 for a new one. It looks very similar in the picture but it is confirmed that suits? (im sure someone knows and just to confirm)
Well i think i will go for the aprilia pump... and use my repaired on as a spare, i know that if i am pushing my bike up out of a valley with a problem with the pump then i would be happy to pay $230 for a new one. It looks very similar in the picture but it is confirmed that suits? (im sure someone knows and just to confirm)
OlderHuskyRider
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Last year, I emailed a guy who had one of the Aprilia assemblies on his bench, and his and mine appeared to be the same size flange, you might need to check the wires and make sure that they are all in the same place for the Husky harness plug.
cacycleworks
Husqvarna
C Class
Hi everyone -- this thread popped up on our radar, so I thought I'd join the forum and say hi. I'm the guy that makes the Ca Cycelworks pumps aforementioned in this thread. BTW, why didn't the OP use our pump if he has one? If there's something wrong with it, please tell us so that we can learn from it and fix problems. Our pumps have been through 3 upgrades since introduction and I'd like to think they are the best option for pump replacement on the market.
That 6 hole oval flange is made by Bitron in Italy and seems to be the go-to supplier of any Euro-made motorcycle fuel system that isn't designed in Japan (like Keihin, etc). If it looks at all like the Aprilia one, that's it. For Ducati, Bitron makes a dual port version to have a fuel loop to the injectors with a feed and return, with the pressure regulator being on the return's inlet. I have held 3 different versions of those flanges and the wires are always the same, the mounting holes the same, with wire lengths and hose connections being customized for the manufacturer (Aprilia, Ducati, Husky). It is a modular casting and design. And imho, the Bitron pumps are great OE quality and there's some other design error in the fuel system causing problems which manifest via the fuel pump failing. So far, our pumps (which we pay extra to get the best quality possible), are doing a pretty good job of masking the fuel system problems and let people keep riding. When I sent the OEM "Made in China" pumps to my people in China to confirm the design, they paid the pumps compliments for the quality -- and my contacts are not shy about saying when something is made poorly.
And for why I really posted: I / we understand and greatly appreciate the OP's frustration with hose!! When we started selling the pumps a few years ago, we didn't include a hose. We got yelled at. So without analyzing costs, we started including the same hose we used successfully for over 5 years on our in-tank products for EFI Ducatis. But somehow those weren't working for you guys.
So we upgraded to a better hose, which ended up bursting. So we went and bought a mile of NAPA's premium automotive 30R10 hose, which disintegrated. ( I was blamed for this and yelled at on the phone 
). It seems that customer thought it was my intention he should have a failure??? OK then we started selling the braided "pink hose". I had lengthy conversations with the guy who makes it (in Louisiana) and he said it will swell and discolor but won't burst or pop off and is the best thing he has or has seen on the market for resistance to ethanol. And we've been selling that hose and haven't been yelled at. Until again someone was super pissed at me, personally, because he, too, thought it would make my day better to hear he had to push his bike a mile... Actually, it ruins my day, makes me sick to my stomach, and causes me to lose sleep and/or drink more.
Now I have sought out a new, hard, plastic-like hose that's sort of similar to the OE hose that I hope will stop folks accusing me of having a sick plot to make y'all push your bikes. They're at FedEx now, so maybe we'll get them in a week. Like everything else; when you want quality, you call up China, explain to them what's wrong and ask them for the best fix for the problem. When you're not trying to talk the price down, they deliver quality that compares or exceeds what I can buy anywhere. These hoses aren't as mean as the heat-shink ones that Bitron uses, so hopefully they will be user-installable as well as ethanol resistant (assuming all these hose problems stem from that).
- Chris
That 6 hole oval flange is made by Bitron in Italy and seems to be the go-to supplier of any Euro-made motorcycle fuel system that isn't designed in Japan (like Keihin, etc). If it looks at all like the Aprilia one, that's it. For Ducati, Bitron makes a dual port version to have a fuel loop to the injectors with a feed and return, with the pressure regulator being on the return's inlet. I have held 3 different versions of those flanges and the wires are always the same, the mounting holes the same, with wire lengths and hose connections being customized for the manufacturer (Aprilia, Ducati, Husky). It is a modular casting and design. And imho, the Bitron pumps are great OE quality and there's some other design error in the fuel system causing problems which manifest via the fuel pump failing. So far, our pumps (which we pay extra to get the best quality possible), are doing a pretty good job of masking the fuel system problems and let people keep riding. When I sent the OEM "Made in China" pumps to my people in China to confirm the design, they paid the pumps compliments for the quality -- and my contacts are not shy about saying when something is made poorly.
And for why I really posted: I / we understand and greatly appreciate the OP's frustration with hose!! When we started selling the pumps a few years ago, we didn't include a hose. We got yelled at. So without analyzing costs, we started including the same hose we used successfully for over 5 years on our in-tank products for EFI Ducatis. But somehow those weren't working for you guys.
So we upgraded to a better hose, which ended up bursting. So we went and bought a mile of NAPA's premium automotive 30R10 hose, which disintegrated. ( I was blamed for this and yelled at on the phone ). It seems that customer thought it was my intention he should have a failure??? OK then we started selling the braided "pink hose". I had lengthy conversations with the guy who makes it (in Louisiana) and he said it will swell and discolor but won't burst or pop off and is the best thing he has or has seen on the market for resistance to ethanol. And we've been selling that hose and haven't been yelled at. Until again someone was super pissed at me, personally, because he, too, thought it would make my day better to hear he had to push his bike a mile... Actually, it ruins my day, makes me sick to my stomach, and causes me to lose sleep and/or drink more. Now I have sought out a new, hard, plastic-like hose that's sort of similar to the OE hose that I hope will stop folks accusing me of having a sick plot to make y'all push your bikes. They're at FedEx now, so maybe we'll get them in a week. Like everything else; when you want quality, you call up China, explain to them what's wrong and ask them for the best fix for the problem. When you're not trying to talk the price down, they deliver quality that compares or exceeds what I can buy anywhere. These hoses aren't as mean as the heat-shink ones that Bitron uses, so hopefully they will be user-installable as well as ethanol resistant (assuming all these hose problems stem from that).
- Chris
OlderHuskyRider
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Thanks for posting Chris, and thanks for making the 30mm pump for our bikes. I bought and used one of y'alls 38mm Ducati spec pumps 2.5 years ago it finally quit working on a very hard bump at speed.
I don't think the OP had one of your pumps originally (someone posted that he thought he had bought one), he bought a hiflo, which I have been recommending against doing as we have seen at least 1 failure.
As for hose, I use the $20 a foot, Gates submersible 5/16" which lasts about 2 years and then it will fail.
I have a theory that the pumps and the hose in existence today were not specced to handle the extreme heat and vibration of an off road motorcycle. I have boiled my gas more than once, and the pounding of washboard roads and pure rock passages is more than a small electric motor can take.
cacycleworks
Husqvarna
C Class
My usual advice is "go to Napa or Autozone and buy whatever parts look like they will fit". Your bikes with these pumps are ANYthing but usual. I'm actually afraid to give advice because I'm not as hard on the parts as you guys. It's kinda up to you guys to find the parts that work the best and last the best. Right now, I think I've got a handle on the pumps and hope/pray the hoses work out ok. I don't even want to think about the filters. A fully welded metal filter would probably work the best. If it is pressed or rolled, our pump might blow it apart. If it's plastic, any weakness will present pretty quickly, too. I couldn't believe we burst hoses...
OlderHuskyRider
Husqvarna
Pro Class
This or the equivalent in several brands is what I have used for 2.5 years, it has 5/16" nipples on both ends.
Looks like ca cycleworks has updated the hose that comes with the fuel pump.
http://ca-cycleworks.com/products/fuel-carbs?make=304
http://ca-cycleworks.com/products/fuel-carbs?make=304