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Hi everyone,
As you all know, Coffee (Dean) passed away a couple of years ago. I am Dean's ex-wife's husband and happen to have spent my career in tech. Over the years, I occasionally helped Dean with various tech issues.
When he passed, I worked with his kids to gather the necessary credentials to keep this site running. Since then (and for however long they worked with Coffee), Woodschick and Dirtdame have been maintaining the site and covering the costs. Without their hard work and financial support, CafeHusky would have been lost.
Over the past couple of weeks, I’ve been working to migrate the site to a free cloud compute instance so that Woodschick and Dirtdame no longer have to fund it. At the same time, I’ve updated the site to a current version of XenForo (the discussion software it runs on). The previous version was outdated and no longer supported.
Unfortunately, the new software version doesn’t support importing the old site’s styles, so for now, you’ll see the XenForo default style. This may change over time.
Coffee didn’t document the work he did on the site, so I’ve been digging through the old setup to understand how everything was running. There may still be things I’ve missed. One known issue is that email functionality is not yet working on the new site, but I hope to resolve this over time.
Thanks for your patience and support!
TE/TC TC250 or FC 350
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fletchman45
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Simple to me. Buy the two stroke. Reasoning simple as well. The Tc will save you money right off the bat with a cheaper price and there are some 14's floating around for 6k or so... A bargain by todays standards....Light weight. The two stroke simply is and will feel much lighter then the fourstroke. Minimal mods needed. Throw a flywheel weight and a larger tank if needed. Less maintenance. No stupid valve adjustments. Parts replacing. Religious oil and filter changes. And in the event of major engine failure. $500-$700 vs $2,000 to $2,500. Call around a basic rebuild on a four stroke is a stupid price and not easily done by the average guy. A two stroke on the other hand I am sure with a you tube video I could get a twelve year old to do so successfully while I was drinking beer. Ok so you have to mix your oil and gas. Isn't that better then $10.00 a quart oil that you need to change every weekend...... I take it you have had your CR 250 for awhile. Certainly not a bad bike! The TC will let you neglect it with less punishment for neglecting it. Your 40. That's young! kick starting should not be a problem. The 14 TC can be had for a great price right now, which is good especially if you plan on keeping the bike anyways and with the money saved you could go on a vacation with your wife. Bring your kids somewhere. Buy your dog a special treat. Give your neighbors a turkey. And buy yourself a 12 pack of beer and still have money left over from not buying the four stroke. Just my two cents. Good luck and good for you life is way........to short. Enjoy it!
letitsnow
Husqvarna
AA Class
I used to think like this^^^. Then I bought an FC250.
While I used to spend all of my time worrying about jetting and getting things perfect, now I ride. And ride. And ride. I hit the magic button and ride. And ride. My friends are all worn out. They just want to sit around and work on jetting perfection. I'm just gonna ride the bike some more.
While I used to spend all of my time worrying about jetting and getting things perfect, now I ride. And ride. And ride. I hit the magic button and ride. And ride. My friends are all worn out. They just want to sit around and work on jetting perfection. I'm just gonna ride the bike some more.
Both excellent choices. Really comes down to what you're looking for your riding pleasure.
The TC is simpler and lighter but will feel more loose and not as planted as the FC and two strokes are fun but no doubt take more energy to ride them to your full capability
The FC will allow you to ride longer while using less energy but in the woods four strokes run much hotter then two strokes and you'll notice the heat from the engine unless of course your off road consists of mostly open trails. The FC will be heavier feeling thru the chop and braking bumps but by the same token four strokes feel much more planted when you let off the gas and don't have the free wheeling feel that two strokes do as the weight goes to the front from the natural engine braking of the four stroke engine though the modern ones such as the FC are much more subtle then the old school thumpers that many may remember.
As far as jetting goes on a TC I wouldn't worry about that as once you get it dialed and it will easy to do if you'll even have too you'll never really have to mess with it again. Yes electric start is the tits on the FC but the Fuel injection systems are not fool proof as the filters thru out the system can get clogged on occasion but again it's not a huge issue and you most likely won't even have an issue with it.
These are just my opinions from having owned a wide variety of Two and Four stroke bikes thurout the years. Bottom line between the two choices you have presented here there is no bad choice and you'll be stoked either way!
The TC is simpler and lighter but will feel more loose and not as planted as the FC and two strokes are fun but no doubt take more energy to ride them to your full capability
The FC will allow you to ride longer while using less energy but in the woods four strokes run much hotter then two strokes and you'll notice the heat from the engine unless of course your off road consists of mostly open trails. The FC will be heavier feeling thru the chop and braking bumps but by the same token four strokes feel much more planted when you let off the gas and don't have the free wheeling feel that two strokes do as the weight goes to the front from the natural engine braking of the four stroke engine though the modern ones such as the FC are much more subtle then the old school thumpers that many may remember.
As far as jetting goes on a TC I wouldn't worry about that as once you get it dialed and it will easy to do if you'll even have too you'll never really have to mess with it again. Yes electric start is the tits on the FC but the Fuel injection systems are not fool proof as the filters thru out the system can get clogged on occasion but again it's not a huge issue and you most likely won't even have an issue with it.
These are just my opinions from having owned a wide variety of Two and Four stroke bikes thurout the years. Bottom line between the two choices you have presented here there is no bad choice and you'll be stoked either way!
robertaccio
Husqvarna
Pro Class
what Fletch said.
Are ya racing, or play riding? Seems like you are going for an MX machine either way. Where you live and how you use it could be a factor. Those damn nanny laws can really put a crimp in your bike choices like us poor sombitches in Kali.
However, I can tell ya that if I was buying a race bike that could be ridden on "closed courses" all year I wouldn't think twice about getting a 2 stroke due to the simplicity, ease of maintenance, and light weight that Fletch mentioned.
However, I can tell ya that if I was buying a race bike that could be ridden on "closed courses" all year I wouldn't think twice about getting a 2 stroke due to the simplicity, ease of maintenance, and light weight that Fletch mentioned.
fletchman45
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Aw. Come on. I jet my bike once and that's it. Good for 50 or 100 degrees. I've never played the jetting game. I get it a tish fat so I can hold it WFO in a plowed corn field for a quarter mile then forget it. Yea I know doesn't run quite perfect all the time but I don't foul plugs or anything of the sort. VNTGMX has some good valid points. Every one is different and you may want to ride a modern four stroke for and extended run. I have bought a couple of them 06 and and 09 and have regretted both purchases. I once set up a 7 mile course and had a 09 TE 250 and a 09 Husky 125 and did back to back runs 6 time (3) on each bike. Even thou the powerband of the 125 sucked (compared to a 144) I was always faster on the two stroke. Yes the four stroke may feel more planted for me it just does not work. When you see a bike getting parted out (late model) It is never a two stroke. Because when your bike (four stroke) is three or four years old and grenades it is questionable on whether or not it is worth fixing. While the two stroke is a no brainer. If you are religious about maintenance then the four stroke may be and option. I would have to learn how to adjust valves myself because I am not sure I would trust anyone near me. If you like riding and spending more time doing other stuff the two stroke may be the choice!! If you go on trips to high elevation areas etc... Then fuel injection can be a benefit to removing the carb and leaning the needle and changing the main jet (app one hour sluffing off) Electric start could be and added benefit if you feel you may need it. When buying a bike. I factor in the weight of the bike and the simplicity. And in this case the two stroke wins. Engine braking of the four stroke I do not like. Added weight of the four stroke equal taxing on brake pads, chain and sprockets and tires etc.. Added weight also means you can boil over the brakes easier if you are a rear brake dragger like me. Four strokes tend to overheat and if you have a fan it is one more thing in the equation you must rely on. Fuel injection rarely goes bad but if your in the sticks and it does. Good look. Iv'e taken carbs off a buds snowmobile on the trail at 0 degrees and fixed the problem. At the end of the day it is what you like. But the new four strokes are not like your fathers XR (bullet proof) they are complex lightweight high performance engines that require dedicated maintenance. I would advise to ride several of your buddy's bikes both two and four stroke. If you really want to improve your riding skills and have a hoot find and Italian 144 or Austrian 125 ride it for the season then go back to a 250! If you have never had the experience of riding a 125-150 all season it is a great one and HILARIOUS as you pass 300's 450's etc.... If ridden correctly this even applies to hill climbs! Iv'e done it! As a double A rider didn't make it on his Orange 250 I went by him on my 144..........Good luck and congrats! As a wise dude a little older then me once said. We don't generally regret what we did in life. We regret what we didn't do! Toss a coin. Grab your bike and RIDE!!
