Steering head angle or....quickest turning Husky

[hawaii-rider]

question all ye Husky Gurus....

making a four stroke Evolution class bike "Franken Bike"

Most likely a TT500 motor (as the Husky 510's are like hens teeth)

want to put into a husky Frame -

Up north here, the Evo class is
Air Cooled
No Linkage
Drum Brakes

So
which "husky frame" would YOU search for to put a TT500 (or maybe an XR500) motor into for a franken bike?

Need the girl to turn, Underneath the CR and even....dare I say it, a 78 Maico-----NOT like the 83XC Husky Cruise Missle of Ten Fins of Fury I have now....
gosh I love that motor...but she just dont like to turn.....go figure....

So......
What say yee of knowledge?

HR

 

[Motosportz]

Why not just get a husky that fits those requirements? Lighter stronger motor to boot. Can be had pretty cheap.

 

[Joe Chod]

find an 84 frame but MUST BE an air cooled model as the airs had side cylinder ehaust and the water pumpers of 84 had center cylinder exhaust. Frames either had a wishbone down front for WC or not for A/C.

 

[hawaii-rider]

Hens teeth...

if there is an 84 or an 85 TE or TX in decent shape I would buy it now.

Saw the one posted here but its linkage and disk brakes....

no joy...

you know where one is?

HR

Why not just get a husky that fits those requirements? Lighter stronger motor to boot. Can be had pretty cheap.

 

[Bill502]

I

question all ye Husky Gurus....

making a four stroke Evolution class bike "Franken Bike"

Most likely a TT500 motor (as the Husky 510's are like hens teeth)

want to put into a husky Frame -

Up north here, the Evo class is
Air Cooled
No Linkage
Drum Brakes

So
which "husky frame" would YOU search for to put a TT500 (or maybe an XR500) motor into for a franken bike?

Need the girl to turn, Underneath the CR and even....dare I say it, a 78 Maico-----NOT like the 83XC Husky Cruise Missle of Ten Fins of Fury I have now....
gosh I love that motor...but she just dont like to turn.....go figure....

So......
What say yee of knowledge?

HR

I'm partial to the 78 frame 29 degree head angle but I don't think you'll get a 500 motor in it.

 

[scoott]

Scott. If you want to know how good a 510 can be, come over and try my 86 510. One kick start..hot or cold, suspension to rival a modern bike, stock uncut frame turns fairly well. Front disc brake excellent, rear drum so-so.

Only thing I'm not happy about is the lack of power and heavy flywheel.......But I'm working on that.

May start on my dual-shock 510 after I finish reworking my 430xc.

No, you can't have it.

 

[hawaii-rider]

see
see what I get
tease
tempt
wave it in front of me
then
DENIED...

wonder how hard it would be to m od an 86 frame to do twin shock...

for evo I have to have (as you know)
NO LINKAGE
AIR COOLED
Drum Brakes.......

starting to not like the fact that you have all those huskies down there.......
a lot
...............

(no sympathy yet?)
didnt think so.......

Scott

Scott. If you want to know how good a 510 can be, come over and try my 86 510. One kick start..hot or cold, suspension to rival a modern bike, stock uncut frame turns fairly well. Front disc brake excellent, rear drum so-so.

Only thing I'm not happy about is the lack of power and heavy flywheel.......But I'm working on that.

May start on my dual-shock 510 after I finish reworking my 430xc.

No, you can't have it.

 

[scoott]

Scott, we could use a couple of people for the 12hr if you are interested. Bring the 500xc and you could try my bikes also.

 

[hawaii-rider]

Dates for the 12 hour?

We have an MX coming up down there for HT....

Scott

Scott, we could use a couple of people for the 12hr if you are interested. Bring the 500xc and you could try my bikes also.

 

[scoott]

12 hr is April 30th.

And you can run a 86 510 in H&T ultimate class...if you bolt up a Husky twin-leading shoe drum brake.

 

[pcnsd]

I agree with the 510E as an excellent machine choice. If I just had to run a TT500 motor I would keep it in the stock frame TT deraked to about 26.5 degrees and add a Radian swingarm (+2 inches). Keep the front and rear travel at no more than 9" and you can run in the AHRMA historic class and be a contender. Deraking a TT is very common in the flattrack world. Search Flattrack.com "Tuner forum" for details on how to.
I have an 81 430CR. I used to complain that it was turn resistant. I now believe that I was the larger issue (Mis-match between bike and rider technique.) Yes, it will push the front if careless in flat and off-camber turns, but rails any berm or rut and will pivot nicely too. Listen to your bike... it will tell you what it wants to go fast.
This is my deraked TT

It is fast and turns nice but at 262 lbs, it will not turn under a Maico (I could use it as a berm) and needs to be listened to as well.

Regards
Paul

 

[hawaii-rider]

Nice looking machine!
I will check out the web site

we dont run AHRMA rules in our race area
for evolution its
air cooled machines with no linkage suspension (no limit to the length) and drum brakes.
Motor has to be period motor
so
mid 80's for four strokes and earlier.
Franken bikes are fine.

Scott

I agree with the 510E as an excellent machine choice. If I just had to run a TT500 motor I would keep it in the stock frame TT deraked to about 26.5 degrees and add a Radian swingarm (+2 inches). Keep the front and rear travel at no more than 9" and you can run in the AHRMA historic class and be a contender. Deraking a TT is very common in the flattrack world. Search Flattrack.com "Tuner forum" for details on how to.
I have an 81 430CR. I used to complain that it was turn resistant. I now believe that I was the larger issue (Mis-match between bike and rider technique.) Yes, it will push the front if careless in flat and off-camber turns, but rails any berm or rut and will pivot nicely too. Listen to your bike... it will tell you what it wants to go fast.
This is my deraked TT

It is fast and turns nice but at 262 lbs, it will not turn under a Maico (I could use it as a berm) and needs to be listened to as well.

Regards
Paul

 

[hawaii-rider]

Scott
crap cant do the 30th
Im on travel
Wright pat AFB the week prior, fly home on Friday late
reset
fly to Norfolk Naval (Little creek) for the next week to work with NAVSOC...
crap
crap
crap

but if you sell me your 510 (its obviously slow if you let a 125 smoker pass you)

I could be made to feel better about missing the race.

Scott

12 hr is April 30th.

And you can run a 86 510 in H&T ultimate class...if you bolt up a Husky twin-leading shoe drum brake.

 

[jimspac]

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I'm partial to the 78 frame 29 degree head angle but I don't think you'll get a 500 motor in it.

The 78 ML frame takes the TT500 engine with no frame cutting and with the most versitility for construction. I have had my stunt dummy TT500 engine dropped into upto 1982 Husqvarna frame with no frame cutting. Will not go into the 1983 CR frame I have as it has a shorter cradle. Also for specs to make a TT500 frame handle like a Maico
http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?action=printpage;topic=358.0

 

[hawaii-rider]

what I have found through a LOT of searches.

• Husky 510 are as rare as an honest politician (and those of us that have like 10 of em are stingy bastards and wont share)
• TT 500 motors aint much better unless you want to pay $2k for a beeter...that needs a total restore
• XR motors are plentiful as are known mods for speed, torque, HP or whatever you want....and I can run a mid-80 XR locally as long as I fit it into a NON Linkage Frame and drum brakes.

availability and everything else is leading me down a path...
I agree getting a TE510 1984 flavor would be my ultimate....but...thats a dream (one I wont let go of, but still a dream)

Scott

 

[scoott]

what I have found through a LOT of searches.

• Husky 510 are as rare as an honest politician (and those of us that have like 10 of em are stingy bastards and wont share)
• TT 500 motors aint much better unless you want to pay $2k for a beeter...that needs a total restore
• XR motors are plentiful as are known mods for speed, torque, HP or whatever you want....and I can run a mid-80 XR locally as long as I fit it into a NON Linkage Frame and drum brakes.

availability and everything else is leading me down a path...

I agree getting a TE510 1984 flavor would be my ultimate....but...thats a dream (one I wont let go of, but still a dream)

Scott

You're not looking hard enough. Got a call in on a 86 tc running for $700 at the moment.

 

[hawaii-rider]

Maybe I should go for a little tiddler - 125...sure ate that 510 like it was standing still in that video......

yeah and that one plus the other 15 510s of various flavors you have out there.

GRRRRRRR

You're not looking hard enough. Got a call in on a 86 tc running for $700 at the moment.

 

[Motosportz]

problem solved, see ya at the races

 

[jimspac]

what I have found through a LOT of searches.

• Husky 510 are as rare as an honest politician (and those of us that have like 10 of em are stingy bastards and wont share)
• TT 500 motors aint much better unless you want to pay $2k for a beeter...that needs a total restore
• XR motors are plentiful as are known mods for speed, torque, HP or whatever you want....and I can run a mid-80 XR locally as long as I fit it into a NON Linkage Frame and drum brakes.

availability and everything else is leading me down a path...

I agree getting a TE510 1984 flavor would be my ultimate....but...thats a dream (one I wont let go of, but still a dream)

Scott

One main appeal of the TT500 engines is stone reliability. Built engines have been known to run under race conditions for years because of lower rpm turned and strong engine basic construction. Plus much current OEM support.

 

[wrenchinremo]

Hens teeth...

if there is an 84 or an 85 TE or TX in decent shape I would buy it now.

Saw the one posted here but its linkage and disk brakes....

no joy...

you know where one is?

HR

Hey HR, I've got an '85 TX510 (got it Oct '84) that took me to the #2 plate (Desert) 4-stroke A class back in '88. I'm kinda busted up nowadays (three back fusions) I have all the parts to bring her back to life. just needs to be put back together. This bike is a rocket! I have a megaphone free flow 2 into 1 exhaust with and aluminum silencer (ya right) and the stock dual pipe set up too. This frame has a 28.5 degree rake which turns much sharper than my OR390 with 30.5 degrees. both bikes are as stable at full speed as a freight train on rails! Any vintage big bore husky rider knows you turn with the throttle and a little body english, throwing a huge roost the whole time! (like a water skier gracefully blasting a wave of water midair, throughout the arc of the turn) This was the First Husky with the ITC rear shocks, delivering an incredible 13.6 inches of rear wheel travel. and it was progressive without linkage (I've never riden a single shock with smoother suspension.) The only thing I for sure would not let go of, is the dual leading front brake assy. If old Huskys were known not to turn quickly, they were much worse in the stopping department! If you got them wet? well you could always do the Fred Flintstone imitation! I slammed many obstactles going WFO including other riders (not on purpose) often I wished for a parachute, like a top fuel dragster! EBC grooved shoes brought it back under control, once they developed them, that is. Scott is right about us being stingey with these incredable scoots. If you did a Jap engine swap, you'd loose that untouchable 6 spd. top end! A gear for every situation, including Mach 1!!! These engines are a SOHC 4 valve head, RAL (no heavy mechanical oil pump) mated to a light 2-stroke bottom end. And the drive is on the opposite side, that would be a headache. I owned a '79, '81 and '82 XR500 those bikes couldn't touch a Husqvarna in any department other than reliability, "The final Step!" and they meant it. Who wants a weak bike that always goes? Not me! I want one that goes...FAST!!! Get ahold of me, We'll talk. I might be persuaded, maybe! Remo p.s. Did I read that someone said these revolutionary lightweight 4-strokes were underpowered? Are ya nuts?!!!