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Sale Of Kids Bikes Banned Due To New Lead-Testing Rules?

WoodsChick

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Staff member
Wow...:eek:

Below is the article from Cycle News...
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The following is a letter sent to Honda dealers from American Honda's senior vice president, Ray Blank...


Dear Honda Dealer:

On August 14, 2008, Congress enacted the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of 2008 (CPSIA or Act). The Act was primarily in reaction to the recent influx of lead-tainted toys that resulted in numerous recalls and significant public outcry for more stringent government standards.

The CPSIA requires manufacturers of “Children’s Products,” defined as those products designed or intended primarily for children 12 years of age or younger, to meet increasingly stringent lead paint and lead content standards and to certify, based on third party testing, that the products meet the Act’s requirements. Products that fail to comply with the prescribed lead limits are considered a “banned hazardous substance” and cannot be sold or offered for sale. Violation of the prescribed limits (initial limits detailed below) can result in severe civil and criminal penalties.

Ban of lead in paint over 600ppm (parts per million)

Honda’s paint contains little or no lead and easily complies with even the most stringent requirement.

Ban of lead in substrate material over 600ppm

Honda is still in process of completing tests on all of the materials used in our small ATV’s and motorcycles; however, some alloy materials commonly used to manufacture motor vehicles may inherently contain levels of lead that are (or ultimately will be) above the current, or future more aggressive, limits set forth in the Act.

Honda and other members of the Motorcycle Industry Council and Specialty Vehicle Institute of America, which face the same issues as Honda, are actively working to exempt the alloy parts for small motorcycles and ATVs from the terms of the Act. The lead embedded in the alloys used in these products is not transferred through typical use of these products. Our shared belief is that Congress never intended the lead content provisions of the Act, which originally were aimed at toys that can be mouthed by children, to be applicable to small ATVs and motorcycles.

Even more concerning is that the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), the agency charged with enforcing the Act, recently ruled that Congress intended the lead content regulations to be retroactive. This means that, regardless of its date of manufacture or the fact that it complied with all applicable laws and regulations at the date of manufacture, any children’s product manufactured with even a single component part containing lead in excess of the limits will no longer be legal for sale as of February 10, 2009. The economic impact of the CPSC’s ruling will be substantial for both dealers and manufacturers in an already weakened economy.

What all of this means to you is that – without Congressional or CPSC action -- you will not be able to sell new or used TRX 90, CRF 50F, CRF 70F, or CRF 80F models after February 10, 2009, stranding your investment in your new and used inventory. In fact, under the terms of the Act you cannot even display these models on your showroom floor, distribute brochures, or advertise them on your website.

**REVIEW IMMEDIATELY**

As Honda and others continue to work towards a satisfactory resolution to this dilemma, we urge you to support an industry effort by contacting your Congressional delegation and Senators and urging them to ensure that small motorcycles and ATVs are exempted from the lead-content provisions of the Act. Copies of letters already sent by the MIC and SVIA to various members of Congress are attached for your reference.

We ask for your patience and understanding as we work through this unfortunate process together. You may continue to sell these models lawfully and with all existing Honda retail support through February 9th, 2009. We will advise you if the industry is able to obtain an exemption from the lead content regulation. In the interim, we will keep you posted on developments and business actions necessary from February 10th forward to comply with this Act. With best regards, American Honda Motor Co., Inc.

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WoodsChick
 
Yeah I guess there is a real big hazard of some kid coming back from a ride and then chewing on his frame.:rolleyes:
 
I heard the same thing from friends I know in the bicycle industry! I have friends that own shops and they were sent letters from their suppliers stating the same thing with kids bikes!!! Crazy!!!
 
What the hell is going on.
The kids can ride a motorized motorcycle that literally can kill them.
Nothing said about the gasoline if swallowed could do the same.
That's ok but they're worried about junior chewing on the paint.
Is it March 31st. already?
 
rajobigguy;18460 said:
Yeah I guess there is a real big hazard of some kid coming back from a ride and then chewing on his frame.:rolleyes:

I was just thinking the same thing. I don't think I've seen mine chewing on the P-dub or the XR.
 
by the way, these are the people we voted for who are doing this. They want to take our guns and our motorcycles. Best thing to do is vote for someone with some damned sense. This crowd doesn't care about us.
 
Yes, it's crazy. I'm sure that it will be sorted, but probably not before the stated Feb 9 deadline. I'm thinking a little trip to my Honda dealer on Feb 8th to pitch some real low-ball offers is in order...
 
Give them an inch and they'll take a 10 yards........... When was the last time you saw a kid chewing on a shifter or licking a frame.... Looks like they are going to have to come up with something else for kids to write with besides pencils. This is just stupid....
 
good idea

dfeckel;18514 said:
Yes, it's crazy. I'm sure that it will be sorted, but probably not before the stated Feb 9 deadline. I'm thinking a little trip to my Honda dealer on Feb 8th to pitch some real low-ball offers is in order...


You read my mind, but I bet the guys at my local one will keep on keepin' on. We'll see.
 
another nail in the coffin of US small biz trying to sell recreational products. The radical greens are celebrating,,,and laughing at all of us.
 
I merged the 2 threads.... not sure I did it right, but they are together and the newsroom is as good of a place as any.
 
Isn't it amazing Just how STUPID highly Educated people can be!? I would laugh but here in OZ, we say we're not that far behind the USA. When it comes to FAD things.
 
Coffee;18795 said:
There is a 'stay' (delay) of the rules except for certain things such as
  • Certification requirements applicable to ATV’s manufactured after April 13, 2009
  • Lawnmowers

Lawnmowers? No more ATVs?

yes a one year delay... while they review case.

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Coffee;18795 said:
There is a 'stay' (delay) of the rules except for certain things such as
  • Certification requirements applicable to ATV’s manufactured after April 13, 2009
  • Lawnmowers

Lawnmowers? No more ATVs?
I wonder if they consider a motorcycle an all terrain vehicle?? I wonder what their definition of an atv is.
 
Nick Mac.;18783 said:
Isn't it amazing Just how STUPID highly Educated people can be!? I would laugh but here in OZ, we say we're not that far behind the USA. When it comes to FAD things.
You know the old saying- " IF YOU SEND AN IDIOT TO COLLEGE, HE JUST COMES OUT AN EDUCATED IDIOT****************************************!:thinking:
 
MIC, AMA Start Campaigns to Delay Lead Standards

Publish date: Feb 4, 2009

The Motorcycle Industry Council today encouraged dealers to send an e-mail to the Consumer Product Safety Commission asking it to delay the effective date of its new lead regulations for children’s products.

Yesterday, the National Association of Manufacturers CPSC Coalition (of which the MIC is a member) presented to the CPSC a ballot in which it requested an emergency stay of the effective date of CPSIA Section 101(a)(2), the lead content provisions. The MIC encouraged member companies, dealers, enthusiasts and other stakeholders to contact the commissioners as soon as possible to urge them to grant the request, which would extend the effective date for at least 185 days. The MIC also encouraged powersports stakeholders to urge the commissioners to grant the petitions for temporary exclusion for certain ATV and motorcycle components, parts and accessories, filed by the MIC, the Specialty Vehicle Institute of America and their member companies.

Dealers can express their support for the stay and the petitions by sending an e-mail to newleg@cpsc.gov. To view e-mails that have already been sent, they can go to http://www.cpsc.gov/ABOUT/Cpsia/cpsia.HTML and click on “Public Comment.”

Meanwhile, the AMA has issued a plea to the Consumer Product Safety Commission seeking a temporary stay on new rules regarding lead content in off-highway vehicles. The following is the full text of the letter:

February 2, 2009

Acting Chairman Nancy Nord
Commissioner Thomas Moore
U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission
4330 East-West Highway
Bethesda, MD 20814
 
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