Rekluse plusplus

[ray_ray]

The more I ride with the Rekluse clutch I inherited, I keep finding small things that aren't mentioned here alot but I think are worth mentioning as a plus for this device... At least for me some of these things are a plus in just every day riding ...

1)
Today, by accident I was rolling my dead-engine bike down a small hill close to my home. I do this on all my bikes to bump start or just as a way to be moving and not stationary when kicking the bike over ..Just an old habit from age 14 or so when I was riding ... I like bump starting\rolling bikes in different ways from time to time..

So I'm rolling, thinking I'm in neutral, standing on the pegs and kicking the bike as I rolled ... The bike cranked right up while rolling and when I blipped the throttle, I did not realize it but the bike was in 3rd gear or whatever and it just took off ... No clutch action, just a shut throttle and a kick and the bike cranked and took off ... Not a bump start but it was a cool start-off I thought ...I'll be doing more of this I'm sure

2)
I take a lot of pics so I stop alot on certain days ... Lots of times I just leave the bike engine running and in gear and either balance it on a tree or whatever and get off and take a quick pic and hop back on the bike and take off OR just sit on the bike, in gear and idling ...

I know you can do the pic taking on a clutch bike also by shifting to neutral, but its not quite as easy or quick to me ...

 

[reveille]

Haha yes the Rekluse is pretty neat and has a learning curve. I enjoyed the short time I had mine. I started mine in gear (1st) a couple times thinking it was in nuetral and blipped the throttle and had a yeeehaw moment or two...LOL

 

[ray_ray]

Haha yes the Rekluse is pretty neat and has a learning curve. I enjoyed the short time I had mine. I started mine in gear (1st) a couple times thinking it was in nuetral and blipped the throttle and had a yeeehaw moment or two...LOL

Gotta be careful when stopped ... Started mine in gear once when I first got it and wheelied over into a guys small hut ... I just cranked it up again and left it scared me so bad ... Started it again today in gear at a stop by mistake ... never like doing that ESP when I tried to put the bike in neutral before I started kicking it..

 

[Alberto]

so reklusse is a kind of automatic clutch that engages gears depending on the wheel speed or motor speed?

 

[reveille]

No. Rekluse only engages and disengages the clutch and prevents stalling

 

[Johnrg]

Sounds like a freaking Honda 70... I learned to drive and ride with a clutch and shifting w/o it as needed. Learned open wheel racing double clutching and no choice but to do it under threshold braking too before moving to sequential shifters. I am fond of the bump start (most road racers do) especially when the decompressor is not working well and I am atop a sandy ridge unable to kick or button start. Granted the Recluse may have kept me from stalling in the first place

 

[Mike-AK]

Sounds like a freaking Honda 70...

Cool!

 

[Big Timmy]

As I understand it, Rekluse centrifical clutches will not allow the bike to be actually bump started unless the cable or adjuster is tightened way up so it will grab and take the centrifical action slack away from the clutch stack. Then after the compression start is done you have to re-set the tension on the cable or adjustment mechanism back to a regular riding setting.

Otherwise it will just coast in gear with the clutch released. Just like ray_ray is describing as he's rolling down the hill kicking the bike in gear. With the clutch out and he grabbed a handful and it engaged unintentionally after kicking the engine to life.

If you only have an electric starter and no kicker you don't get to bump start to often with the Rekluse.

Depending on which type Rekluse clutch you are running of course. They do make conventional clutch packs also that are not throttle input/rpm activated or centrifically engaged.

 

[reveille]

The core EXP for the 250/310 comes with a replacement hydraulic clutch slave that has an adjuster on it so all that would need to happen to bump start is a quick tightening of the screw and you can bump start your heart out. Nothing to be concerned about in the least. There are many misconceptions out there about the Rekluse but once you try it you'll be hooked so beware.

 

[Big Timmy]

Thats great that they include this with the EXP setup for the 310. I was just explaining that this had to be done. I've ridden friends bikes that had them installed and thought it was great. I wish they would make one for the 449/511 Kymco engines. EFM does make an auto clutch for these engines but it doesn't have clutch hand lever overide capability. So you might as well go to LHRB only. Because the lever becomes useless. On the Husky though like my engine in my G450X It can however be used now to activate the rear brake. So there option for there clutch kits LHRB upgrade set up does away with the brake pedal and stock rear master cylinder altogether for a few hundred more. With one long rear brake hose. I would rather have the brake pedal still active and tap a second line into the pedals master to be able to use both. I would rather use an extra long double fitting banjo bolt though than tap a second hose to the cap like I've seen others do as I run an extended resevoir on my Brembo master cylinder. I don't want to do that. The filler cap of either stock or extended type like I have wasn't designed to be mounting a hose fitting.

Either way the EFM autoclutch on the 449/511/G450X Cannot be bump started though.

 

[Xcuvator]

For sure pressurizing the cap isn't a good idea. If the cap doesn't blow the level window will. Hard to tell which would be the weaker of the two.
The best way to go is to use a fitting like the one supplied in the Rekluse kit that seals off the pressure at the bottom of the reservoir. I have machined several of them because Rekluse asks 150$ each for them.
Plumping into the banjo output for dual application will only pressurize the opposite MC reservoir.

Thats great that they include this with the EXP setup for the 310. I was just explaining that this had to be done. I've ridden friends bikes that had them installed and thought it was great. I wish they would make one for the 449/511 Kymco engines. EFM does make an auto clutch for these engines but it doesn't have clutch hand lever overide capability. So you might as well go to LHRB only. Because the lever becomes useless. On the Husky though like my engine in my G450X It can however be used now to activate the rear brake. So there option for there clutch kits LHRB upgrade set up does away with the brake pedal and stock rear master cylinder altogether for a few hundred more. With one long rear brake hose. I would rather have the brake pedal still active and tap a second line into the pedals master to be able to use both. I would rather use an extra long double fitting banjo bolt though than tap a second hose to the cap like I've seen others do as I run an extended resevoir on my Brembo master cylinder. I don't want to do that. The filler cap of either stock or extended type like I have wasn't designed to be mounting a hose fitting.

Either way the EFM autoclutch on the 449/511/G450X Cannot be bump started though.

 

[Big Timmy]

That make sense to me. I guess your right on that.
I'm not intending to do this anyway on my Husky powered G450X but will be going to the Full on Core EXP 3.0 set up on my next bike which will be either the new Beta 498RR Factory edition or Husky FE 501. I will always want to keep the lever in use though.

 

[ray_ray]

That make sense to me. I guess your right on that.
I'm not intending to do this anyway on my Husky powered G450X but will be going to the Full on Core EXP 3.0 set up on my next bike which will be either the new Beta 498RR Factory edition or Husky FE 501. I will always want to keep the lever in use though.

Have you ever rode with a rekluse enough to get a good idea on them? What was so great about them from your view point? (had to re-phase the question )

I've rode enough with mine enough now to have a good concept of what they are all about ...

 

[Big Timmy]

Well ray_ray,

We have some pretty scary rock climbs here where we ride where I live. Some very slow sections where you have to really tread lightly on the power application on these sections as the shale stone will slip right out from under the tire and break up in most cases. There literally is no dirt on some of these trails. Its all crumbled rock. Throwing you immediately off balance. The mountains here are high desert rock, ocatillo, mesquite, sage brush, about 30 different types of cactus and lots of rattle snakes.

It certainly isn't the subtropicle jungle, coastal shore lines with banana trees, huts, lush green grass, lots of plants and a bunch of San Miguel beer stops on the trails like you have.

You get up on this rock when its wet during the monsoon rains and you will come home feeling like a piece of hamburger with some really bad injuries from a fall if you came home on your own at all and don't get airlifted out. I ride with so much protective gear on, its ridiculous but its the way to go if you don't want to be sitting home recovering from a days bad incident. It's 105 degrees everyday right now so if I want to ride on the weekend I'm out of here a couple of hours before daylight and am riding this stuff with the headlight.

My buddies KTM 450EXC was the bike I rode several times with this Rekluse set up and it would go up some of the stuff effortlessly where I had to really concentrate a little more with some tricky clutch work on my own bike to get to the same spots on the hills and I'm not talking about flame out issues either. Simply put it was easier to concentrate on the riding of the bike and the steering of it up the damn hill.

So I have rode one "Enough" also to see its advantage "Here" and thats what counts. Thanks for all your real world expert testing of the product where you are at, which for you is "Here" which is what counts for you..

You really didn't have to go to all the trouble to ( re-phase the question ). Unless we are now talking about an electric bike or something. If you are? Aren't most all of those clutchless and you just twist the throttle and don't even have to shift gears?

 

[bent70]

I think I got my brake setup from Xcuvater, well it is a pretty sweet setup for keeping the foot control. I rigged up a thumb clutch for when I need a little more oomph and keeping the start safety. My favorite spot using the rekluse is on super chunk climbs.....best thing ever.

 

[ray_ray]

That pretty much nails some riding where this rekluse device excels ... Seems like it is a 0 to ~3MPH or ~3 to 0MPH device ... That's at least where I the most real usage out of it ... After I get speed up, I pretty much forget it and just use the clutch as a normal clutch. Just don't know to ride a bike without clutch play about the entire ride ...

In fact now, I hardly ever use the auto-feathering work unless I just get in a bad way and can't feather the clutch myself due to mistakes I make while riding and I'll just hang on and let the refluse save me. Still get caught too often too far back on the seat on many climbs and just can't control the bike from that position ... So I let the rekluse bail me out and it will do that job.

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Most rides, I stay away from stuff as slick as you mention and most of the gnarlier stuff here ... Just can't take all that physical abuse anymore and recover quickly enough to continue a days ride without pain ... I can ride every day, pick and choose my areas of difficulty, so with all these options, I just don't see a reason to give my body and bike all that abuse ... Most riding days I do alot of walking checking out the terrain in front of me and that is exercise enough with the bike riding added...

Another thing this device does is add safety to many of my climbs I think... You don't have to just blast a section always ... With the rekluse, you can go slow and easy, stop maybe, all in a safe manner ... Safer than with a clutch bike I think ...Now, at the same time, you have to keep the engine running or the bike immediately rolls backward and can cause big problems ... You just have to be aware you have no tranny-locking to stop the bike if the engine dies ... I got a VID of me riding a little girly and just playing the rekluse card up a gnarly, ~steep, narrow climb ... Maybe I'll add it here and you can see how bad my riding is at times and how that device made it much simpler ...

And again, this device makes an easy day of riding, easier ... Same as adding the eStart device ...

Well ray_ray,

We have some pretty scary rock climbs here where we ride where I live. Some very slow sections where you have to really tread lightly on the power application on these sections as the shale stone will slip right out from under the tire and break up in most cases. There literally is no dirt on some of these trails. Its all crumbled rock. Throwing you immediately off balance. The mountains here are high desert rock, ocatillo, mesquite, sage brush, about 30 different types of cactus and lots of rattle snakes.

It certainly isn't the subtropicle jungle, coastal shore lines with banana trees, huts, lush green grass, lots of plants and a bunch of San Miguel beer stops on the trails like you have.

You get up on this rock when its wet during the monsoon rains and you will come home feeling like a piece of hamburger with some really bad injuries from a fall if you came home on your own at all and don't get airlifted out. I ride with so much protective gear on, its ridiculous but its the way to go if you don't want to be sitting home recovering from a days bad incident. It's 105 degrees everyday right now so if I want to ride on the weekend I'm out of here a couple of hours before daylight and am riding this stuff with the headlight.

My buddies KTM 450EXC was the bike I rode several times with this Rekluse set up and it would go up some of the stuff effortlessly where I had to really concentrate a little more with some tricky clutch work on my own bike to get to the same spots on the hills and I'm not talking about flame out issues either. Simply put it was easier to concentrate on the riding of the bike and the steering of it up the damn hill.

So I have rode one "Enough" also to see its advantage "Here" and thats what counts. Thanks for all your real world expert testing of the product where you are at, which for you is "Here" which is what counts for you..

You really didn't have to go to all the trouble to ( re-phase the question ). Unless we are now talking about an electric bike or something. If you are? Aren't most all of those clutchless and you just twist the throttle and don't even have to shift gears?

As for crashing, I sat on my couch 6 weeks about 3 yrs back with a broke collar bone ... Not gonna let that happen again if possible ... I know about 5 people now laid up due to crashes ... Too old to waste my time injured ... I'll continue to waste it without pain I hope.

 

[Long_Stroke]

I love the Rekluse on switchbacks. Stand up, turn the bars, and control your speed smoothly and perfectly every time.

My clutch cable broke last ride and I thought "I don't need the clutch lever! I have a Rekluse!". Found out pretty quickly that when the clutch cable breaks its just like having a broken clutch cable without the Rekluse. Power shifted and didn't stop unless I had a downhill to start again for the last of the ride. The 300 does a really good job of lugging but the Rekluse makes it perfect.

 

[bent70]

You should have seen the lines I was taking through the rocks this weekend and the knarly rock shelf's I shot. Damn rekluse is an easy button.

 

[LandofMotards]

I love the rekluse. There's no way I would have spent the money on one but bought it already on the bike. Even if I borrowed a buddies bike I wouldn't have cared for it because it took an hour or so to start appreciating it. I get to try stuff I wouldn't have even looked at before. Makes climbing most anything easy. A rekluse on a big bore bike would be amazing

 

[Xcuvator]

I sure like mine too.
I have three Rekluses and one EFM all set up with LHRBs.