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Hi everyone,
As you all know, Coffee (Dean) passed away a couple of years ago. I am Dean's ex-wife's husband and happen to have spent my career in tech. Over the years, I occasionally helped Dean with various tech issues.
When he passed, I worked with his kids to gather the necessary credentials to keep this site running. Since then (and for however long they worked with Coffee), Woodschick and Dirtdame have been maintaining the site and covering the costs. Without their hard work and financial support, CafeHusky would have been lost.
Over the past couple of weeks, I’ve been working to migrate the site to a free cloud compute instance so that Woodschick and Dirtdame no longer have to fund it. At the same time, I’ve updated the site to a current version of XenForo (the discussion software it runs on). The previous version was outdated and no longer supported.
Unfortunately, the new software version doesn’t support importing the old site’s styles, so for now, you’ll see the XenForo default style. This may change over time.
Coffee didn’t document the work he did on the site, so I’ve been digging through the old setup to understand how everything was running. There may still be things I’ve missed. One known issue is that email functionality is not yet working on the new site, but I hope to resolve this over time.
Thanks for your patience and support!
mxon
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ray_ray
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Yep, congratulations to Belgium for winning and to all the other riders on the track also ... I have not seen the race yet so I'm a little hesitant to say much on the racing ... Events always look different than just looking at the results on paper..
I'm happy with the USA team also ... Racing is such a random set of events that happens so quickly with many things out of a riders control ... We could have easily took first place and I'm sure our guys tried their hardest to win ...
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It appears like this KR94 and Eli (ET3?) are gonna add something to the 4fitty class next yr ... Its hard for me to understand the finishing order of this MXdN racing as compared to the SX\MX racing in the states with the same racers competing in all 3 races ... I don't think either of these guys can beat RD5, yet KR94 gives RD5 all he can handle (on a 250) at these MXdn races every-time he races him over the last few yrs ... Maybe it is the tracks and travel time? KR94 gave RV2 quite a race a couple yrs back also with RV2 having to get very aggressive to make a pass on him and lay him in the shade ... I just can't quite get my mind wrapped around all this quite yet unless the different racing venues change the playing field and shuffles the results...
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I'll be glad when the 014 SX season is over so that the MX racing can start ... Wonder if Stew wants a MXdn slot for next year?
I'm happy with the USA team also ... Racing is such a random set of events that happens so quickly with many things out of a riders control ... We could have easily took first place and I'm sure our guys tried their hardest to win ...
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It appears like this KR94 and Eli (ET3?) are gonna add something to the 4fitty class next yr ... Its hard for me to understand the finishing order of this MXdN racing as compared to the SX\MX racing in the states with the same racers competing in all 3 races ... I don't think either of these guys can beat RD5, yet KR94 gives RD5 all he can handle (on a 250) at these MXdn races every-time he races him over the last few yrs ... Maybe it is the tracks and travel time? KR94 gave RV2 quite a race a couple yrs back also with RV2 having to get very aggressive to make a pass on him and lay him in the shade ... I just can't quite get my mind wrapped around all this quite yet unless the different racing venues change the playing field and shuffles the results...
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I'll be glad when the 014 SX season is over so that the MX racing can start ... Wonder if Stew wants a MXdn slot for next year?
ray_ray
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Trolling is for trolls ...
Please go start a new thread on your topic or try to stay on the current topic ... OK? Or is that just too much to ask and well beyond your capabilities?
glangston
Husqvarna
Pro Class
1-1 speaks for itself
ray_ray
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Yep, thats what I'm hoping to do ... I did see Eli's crash and it looked like just a fluke thing that just happened ... He made a big effort to get back on the bike as quickly as possible ...
motohio
Husqvarna
AA Class
I have to agree, Cairoli was impressive. I have not seen him ride much, and dont follow the GP's very close but a 1-1 with that field....= real deal.
Did I miss something? The current topic is "mxon"...
MotoMarc36
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Not so fast. Tomac had the fastest laptime of both his moto's, and of the whole weekend, on his 250f, at a track Cairoli has rode on pleanty of times. I promise you he couldn't come here and smoke us. He knows it, too, or he would come here. Respect to him, he won, he's blazing fast, but he's staying in Europe to be , as Stefan Everts put it, a "big fish in the little pond". Props to Ken Roczen, he's not afraid of anyone and came to the USA to ride with and beat the FASTEST RIDERS in the world. We're glad to have you, Ken!!
You are a true champion with no asterisks or question marks!http://www.racerxonline.com/2013/10/01/sign-of-the-lap-times-mxon
MotoMarc36
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Huh? Face nothing. Statements should be supported by the facts. Here's a fact-supported statement: The USA is DOMINANT in the mxDESn. USA 22 wins. next closest Great Britian at 16 wins. Belgium? 15 wins. Sweden 7 wins. All other contries insignificant on win list, a couple. Caught and passed us??****************************************! Lol look at the facts:
http://www.motoxaddicts.com/2013/09/07/the-list-all-time-motocross-des-nations-winners/
This year? Tomac doesn't crash and settles for third? We win. No what if's allowed, we didn't win but we were right there anyway no shame. I do believe the world has upped their game and are there are worthy adversaries, but the world has a LONG way to go to "catch and pass" us. It would take 7 more years minimum!!
Xcuvator
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Hard to argue with the facts.
Another point worth mentioning is that the Euro tracks are different than ours (think handicap).
I haven't been a big fan of KR, but he sure showed his stuff, with Tomac eating his roost for most of a race looking for a mistake. Great Racing!
DG Harv Serv
Husqvarna
AA Class
I went to Germany, and have to say Tomac was impressive, but its taking the checked flag that counts !
We were not as impressed with Dungey or Barcia.
Cairoli was the master, as he was last year too ! Seems he can ride sand, hard pack etc... makes no odds to him.
Was a great event and up to the last laps, could of went one of three ways .
Overall I think Belgium deserved the win, as they had a DNF in the last Moto and still came out on top.
We were not as impressed with Dungey or Barcia.
Cairoli was the master, as he was last year too ! Seems he can ride sand, hard pack etc... makes no odds to him.
Was a great event and up to the last laps, could of went one of three ways .
Overall I think Belgium deserved the win, as they had a DNF in the last Moto and still came out on top.
glangston
Husqvarna
Pro Class
I think RV and Tomac would come out on top if they all raced each other for a full season. These guys could run away and hide some days and turn bad starts into victories. They wouldn't win every time out....
Dungey and Barcia would finish middle of the top ten like we saw.
Not having RV meant US chances were considerably down. Still, it is just one day of racing.....
Dungey and Barcia would finish middle of the top ten like we saw.
Not having RV meant US chances were considerably down. Still, it is just one day of racing.....
MikeB
Husqvarna
AA Class
I tend to think of 'we' as being all of us who ride dirt bikes. The fact that there are competitive riders from nearly every corner of the planet is a positive thing. We are lucky here in the States that the best of the best race our series (due to marketing). But the racing series in Europe and down under have great riders also.
If I could watch any series this coming year it would be the new MX3(00) class in Europe.
If I could watch any series this coming year it would be the new MX3(00) class in Europe.
MotoMarc36
Husqvarna
Pro Class
A well-written piece by Darryl Ecklund:
For the last two years we have lost the Motocross des Nations. For most nations, finishing on the podium would be an achievement, but for Team USA after winning seven years straight it comes as a shock to lose two in a row. Is the U.S. no longer a dominating force in motocross? Is the infamous Giuseppe Luongo-run FIM World Motocross Championship Series producing better riders? Let's take a more in-depth look.
We no longer have the likes of the Carmicheel, Stanton, Ward or Bailey to help Team USA keep the crown, but I don’t think this is an issue. Did we lose because Ryan Villopoto was on the sidelines the past two years? Yes, he would have helped, but I think we can win without him. So why did we lose? We lost, and most countries have the same excuse, because two of our riders were involved in crashes. In the end we lost by three points—and if Tomac hadn't crashed while running up front or Barcia hadn't been involved in a first turn crash, they would have easily gotten 3, 4, 5 or 6 points more and Team USA would have stood on the top step again. But, we didn't and we didn't. Team USA has had a big target on their backs ever since we strung together 13 straight wins, from 1981 through 1993, and every fan in Europe roots against the stars and stripes. When I say everyone you may think I am talking about the European riders, but I think there is more to the story. Last year the race was held in Lommel, one of the gnarliest sand tracks known to man. It caught us off guard because we only race on onesand track and Southwick is a different kind of sand than Lommel. It's one thing to ride in a sand box, but Lommel was like riding in quick sand. It favored the sand masters and Dungey, Barcia and Baggett were swallowed up.In truth, going to a sand track as unique as Lommel for the MXDN would be like the USA getting the MXDN and holding it in Anaheim Stadium! If that happened you would hear the squeals from across the pond.
I am not one to make excuses, even if it is for the country I live in; however, the past two years haven't proven that Team USA is second string. Lommel favored the sand riders, but the winners of the motos in Lommel and at Teutschenthal didn't ride for teams that won the MXDN. Their teams lost—they looked good, but in sol efforts. This year Cairoli and Roczen were the best riders in the three motos, but for many of the same reasons that our team lost—they were on losing teams. Hey, things happen.
Photo: Dennis Stapleton
Teutschenthal was insane. The track wasn't just physically challenging, but also mentally taxing. It formed deep rock hard ruts with pot holes and big sharp bumps. It took it's toll on everyone (save for Roczen and Cairoli). Many riders were getting cross-rutted. Everyone saw what happened to Eli Tomac. Yard sale! Perhaps the constant grooming of American Nationals tracks and John Ayers stupid "smooth track policy" of a few years ago made the Americans unprepared to squared-edged bumps. Glen Helen was always the roughest track on the AMA circuit, but it got dumped four years ago for some flat as a pancake makeshift National tracks—so, in way the powers that be, are just as much to blame for our loss in Germany as the team's crashes or Dungey's averageness. Average tracks produce average results.
Team USA almost won, but it was one of those horseshoe deals. What can we take away from this year's experience? Tomac was the star of the team, even if he did go flailing through the air. Unfortunately crashes by Eli and Justin Barcia left us behind the eight ball. Ryan Dungey did not have any breakout rides, but he was just as consistent as most of the Belgian team. He claimed he was having issues with bike setup, but his boss, Roger DeCoster, called him out saying that he just suffered mentally. Regardless, we lost. No sweat—we will win when we win. And, win or lose we will still remain the most dominant country in the sport of motocross. We have the richest series, best paid riders, 17 Supercross races, 12 Nationals, overflow crowds of spectators, a supportive aftermarket industry, solid and free TV packages and, more importantly, overflow crowds of young Pro riders trying to grab the brass ring. America is not elitist—we want to grow the sport from the bottom up and you do that by welcoming new riders and giving them the opportunity to show what they can do.The USA has always welcome people looking to live the dream. America is the land of milk and honey for motocross. I'm not trying to take anything away from the European stars—they know how to ride, but if you are going to ride for fame, fortune and personal well being—America is the place to do it.
For the last two years we have lost the Motocross des Nations. For most nations, finishing on the podium would be an achievement, but for Team USA after winning seven years straight it comes as a shock to lose two in a row. Is the U.S. no longer a dominating force in motocross? Is the infamous Giuseppe Luongo-run FIM World Motocross Championship Series producing better riders? Let's take a more in-depth look.
We no longer have the likes of the Carmicheel, Stanton, Ward or Bailey to help Team USA keep the crown, but I don’t think this is an issue. Did we lose because Ryan Villopoto was on the sidelines the past two years? Yes, he would have helped, but I think we can win without him. So why did we lose? We lost, and most countries have the same excuse, because two of our riders were involved in crashes. In the end we lost by three points—and if Tomac hadn't crashed while running up front or Barcia hadn't been involved in a first turn crash, they would have easily gotten 3, 4, 5 or 6 points more and Team USA would have stood on the top step again. But, we didn't and we didn't. Team USA has had a big target on their backs ever since we strung together 13 straight wins, from 1981 through 1993, and every fan in Europe roots against the stars and stripes. When I say everyone you may think I am talking about the European riders, but I think there is more to the story. Last year the race was held in Lommel, one of the gnarliest sand tracks known to man. It caught us off guard because we only race on onesand track and Southwick is a different kind of sand than Lommel. It's one thing to ride in a sand box, but Lommel was like riding in quick sand. It favored the sand masters and Dungey, Barcia and Baggett were swallowed up.In truth, going to a sand track as unique as Lommel for the MXDN would be like the USA getting the MXDN and holding it in Anaheim Stadium! If that happened you would hear the squeals from across the pond.
I am not one to make excuses, even if it is for the country I live in; however, the past two years haven't proven that Team USA is second string. Lommel favored the sand riders, but the winners of the motos in Lommel and at Teutschenthal didn't ride for teams that won the MXDN. Their teams lost—they looked good, but in sol efforts. This year Cairoli and Roczen were the best riders in the three motos, but for many of the same reasons that our team lost—they were on losing teams. Hey, things happen.
Teutschenthal was insane. The track wasn't just physically challenging, but also mentally taxing. It formed deep rock hard ruts with pot holes and big sharp bumps. It took it's toll on everyone (save for Roczen and Cairoli). Many riders were getting cross-rutted. Everyone saw what happened to Eli Tomac. Yard sale! Perhaps the constant grooming of American Nationals tracks and John Ayers stupid "smooth track policy" of a few years ago made the Americans unprepared to squared-edged bumps. Glen Helen was always the roughest track on the AMA circuit, but it got dumped four years ago for some flat as a pancake makeshift National tracks—so, in way the powers that be, are just as much to blame for our loss in Germany as the team's crashes or Dungey's averageness. Average tracks produce average results.
Team USA almost won, but it was one of those horseshoe deals. What can we take away from this year's experience? Tomac was the star of the team, even if he did go flailing through the air. Unfortunately crashes by Eli and Justin Barcia left us behind the eight ball. Ryan Dungey did not have any breakout rides, but he was just as consistent as most of the Belgian team. He claimed he was having issues with bike setup, but his boss, Roger DeCoster, called him out saying that he just suffered mentally. Regardless, we lost. No sweat—we will win when we win. And, win or lose we will still remain the most dominant country in the sport of motocross. We have the richest series, best paid riders, 17 Supercross races, 12 Nationals, overflow crowds of spectators, a supportive aftermarket industry, solid and free TV packages and, more importantly, overflow crowds of young Pro riders trying to grab the brass ring. America is not elitist—we want to grow the sport from the bottom up and you do that by welcoming new riders and giving them the opportunity to show what they can do.The USA has always welcome people looking to live the dream. America is the land of milk and honey for motocross. I'm not trying to take anything away from the European stars—they know how to ride, but if you are going to ride for fame, fortune and personal well being—America is the place to do it.