I/beat, Power commander, RESULTS?????

[MOTORHEAD]

They didn't make a PC III for my bike when I got it either, but they will work, if you're willing to do your own map development.

 

[ah_huat]

Matthew, you need to find a dealer of person with the iBeat ™ software that will set your Throttle Position Sensor and adjust the Fuel mix at 3 points on the acceleration curve (FB1, FB2, and FB3) Mostly the TPS and FB1 are the important settings. Without the software I don't think you can get it to run right.

thanks Glangston will get the dealers to do it soon.. Thanks a lot

 

[Quasimoto]

Tuning question - Husky Noob

Question:

Can I install a PU kit on my 08 TE 450 and skip the ibeat and go directly to a PC III for tuning ?

Basically can I tune the bike with a PC III only and no ibeat ? My bike is stock now and being broken in. I will install the PU kit after 20 hrs but I want to tune it without the ibeat but with a PC III. Is that possible ?

Or do I need the ibeat tuning first (and maybe only) before the PC III if needed ?

I know there is no PC V for the 08 model. Only for the 09.

Many thanks for your help guys.

 

[jlk_250]

You do not "need" to do iBeat tuning if a power commander is installed and optimized for that particular bike. After dyno tuning with a PC it would be just as good whether iBeat tuning was done or not. However, if everyone got iBeat tuning to the same parameters there would be a better chance that PC maps could be shared between bikes.

I installed a PCIII and the PU kit, did not do iBeat tuning, and am coming up with my own map. The Dynojet and FBF maps do not work on mine and I am pretty sure they wouldn't work on mine whether it had iBeat tuning or not.

Dynojet is not going to support the PC-V on an '08 but it is likely that a PC-V for an '09 would work just fine on an '08. When the PC-Vs come out for '09 Husqvarnas I might sell my PCIII and get one whether Dynojet says it'll work or not.

 

[HUSKYnXJnWI]

ok, my bike was hooked up to the I/Beat: Thanks Keytime Motorsports!!!
TPS adjusted and they richened the FB setting. It is a slightly better down low- and rev's way better it pulls all the way to the limiter-
But its low end power with stock gearing is lacking- not single-trac woods ready. If I were riding open stuff where I did everything always above 20 mph I would have no complaints. I have 13/47 gearing (stock 2009).

I ordered a 12 CS. We'll see if 12/47 makes a good ratio for woods and gives me some power down low (then will invest in 13/50 if good). Also I ordered the DB Killer- maybe it will give me some power down low with more back pressure (but hopefully will get me down to <96db). Bike seems tuned for the power to come on at 4-5000 in current state. Oh, I ordered the dual map switch for SH!ts and Giggles. Maybe the wet ignition map (sel 2) will have more power down low.

I have no hesitation in the power band- no bogs- no weird vibes- no surging. I think what I have been looking for is a different power band than the bike is tuned for- sure it needed to be hooked up to the I/beat but it EFI doesn't change compression or cam timing or ignition curves or the tune of the pipe.

I rode the bike all weekend- cept my race- I used my other bike- I just know that bike and have confidence with it- I need more time on the TE to get used to it and gear it down. Oh I started practicing clutch wheelies with the TE- seated and standing to compensate- once second nature it will help with this power delivery to jump logs and rocks.

I do think the Power Comander V is the end all answer to EFI tuning- I have read as much as exists and it seams to be a great tool- little $$ with the autotune wideband though.

 

[Bobby]

The PCIII will definitely be a better all around solution then just the FeedBack/ThrottlePositionOpening adjustments through the IBeat. We've done a couple 610 and 510's with the PCIII and all have benefitted greatly in the rideability department over the standard IBeat settings, especially with the AccPump feature.

 

[raisrx251]

Anybody from Vegas going to get there bike to Power Commander for a free PC V with auto tune?

 

[meeh]

I did a test with my dealer yesterday. Husky says the 09 ECU's don't fit in a 08. Apparently that's bullsh*t as we found out yesterday. My 08 runs a lot better with the 09 ECU. It idles better and pulls better as you can adjust FB1, FB2 and FB3. Even before making adjustments it appears the map overall is richer.

My sparkplug was grey'ish indicating it's lean with the 08 ECU. Not alarmingly lean but could be better. Adjustments with iBeat have been done but still lean.

I also talked to him about maybe going to a dyno with him and testing both ECU's and see what's what. Husqvarna also sells racing ECU's so maybe we can test one of those as well.

 

[Coffee]

Anybody from Vegas going to get there bike to Power Commander for a free PC V with auto tune?

If I had access to an EFI bike and the other resources for the 12 hour one way trip I might just do that. Based on previous posts in this thread an 09 would be best.

 

[bendbiker]

HuskynX....

For the 08 TE450:

Installing a 50 tooth on the rear definitely helps in the tight single tracks. Several have done it and no regrets.

Bought my bike used with the full power up kit, and it was too rich at all speeds including idle . Reconnected the O2 sensor, but left the Arrow exhaust on and that made it too lean, especially at idle and low throttle position (0 to 20%) causing backfire, popping on decel and hesitation/surging when just crusing. Dealer made some adjustments with iBeat ( I don't know what) and that helped reduced those symptoms but still there. I think the 0 to 10% throttle postion across the RPM range needs to be richer.

Also noticed a marked difference with the spark arrestor in and out. Out was too lean, so put it back it. That added back pressure (reduced flow) richened things, but still needs a bit more fuel at the low throttle positions.

 

[Stossy]

Please excuse my lack of knowledge

G'day all

I have just bought a 09 TE450 (australian delivery) & was intrigued as to what does the power - up consist of?

I run a 13/50 yet i still find it a little lazy off the bottom of the rpm's.

I asked my local dealer & posted a thread on another dirtbike forum but as to no avail no-one knows about power ups around where i live.

I seen the BMW GS450 has a power up chip you can plug straight in & i was wondering if that little plug under the seat near the rear guard (on the right side) is the similar thing as the BMW's?

I would like to know more about this power up thingy. I have heard of Power commander but from what i am aware, they don't bring them into AUS yet.

What is iBeat?
What sort of power gain are people getting out of the power ups?


Any info/ advice would be grateful..


Cheers

Stossy.

 

[MOTORHEAD]

You should have gotten everything you need to take it to full power mod when you got the bike. Didn't you get a little package of parts?

 

[MChammer]

Here's how I systematically approached getting my 08 TE 250 upgraded with the Husky (Athena) 300 kit and running properly. First off, after initial break-in as the original 250 new back in 08, I installed the Power-up kit. (Without the power up, the bike ran ok, but not great). For "Stossy", the power up consists of removing the O2 sensor from the exhaust pipe, plugging the hole with the brass plug/washer, and fitting a jumper plug in the electrical connection that the O2 sensor used to be plugged into under the gas tank. On the 08's the catalytic convertor was in the muffler, so they gave you another Arrow muffler with no catalytic convertor - in the 09's the catalytic convertor is in the exhaust pipe just before the muffler - remove it and put the stock muffler back on. Lastly, make sure the throttle stop is out - mine was already removed by the dealer. When I put the 300 kit on this year, I made the mistake of replacing my 08 250 ECU with the new 300 ECU supplied from Husky with my kit - leaving it in power up mode, it ran poorly. Also, because the new ECU was essentially one from the 09 310, it wasn't compatable with my 08 bike dash...the neutral light kept flashing. I took the 300 ECU off and replaced it with my original 08 250 ECU so the dash functioned properly, and even though it was thinking it was firing a smaller 250, it ran better than with the 310 ECU, but not great. My problems were that it surged terribly at lower RPMs and backfired terribly on decelleration (both because of a too lean condition in my case). I should add that after the install, the dealer did set the TPS correctly and made all the proper ibeat adjustments before I did all my work. After talking to Dynojet about my particular setup, I installed a Dynojet Powercommander III designed for an 08 TE250 - even though my bike was now a 300. They admitted they had no fuel maps for my setup and said I'd have to (in their exact words) "Tune by the seat of your pants", so here's what I did. First I created my own starting fuel map by taking Dynojet's already proven fuel map for a 250 and increased all their numbers by 20% - figuring I had 20% more motor to fire - and uploaded it to my Powercommander. I then took a silver Sharpie marker and put a small dot on the rubber flange of my throttle grip - close to the plastic throttle housing. Directly beside that dot, I put a line on the throttle housing so they lined up. Then I opened the throttle to 100% and again put a line on the throttle housing across from the dot on the rubber grip. Next I measured the total distance between the 2 marks - 0% and 100% on the throttle housing and duplicated that with marks on a piece of paper (about 2" long). Using a ruler, I then made marks on that piece of paper at 5%, 10%, 20%, 40%, 60% and 80%. Next I lined that piece of paper up to the 0% and 100% marks already on my throttle housing, and using that silver Sharpie, added the marks for the other percentages onto the throttle housing. Now comes the fun part... Take the bike out for a spin on easy trails with the dash set to RPMs - when the bike stumbles from running too lean, look at the dash for RPMs and the throttle position and take a mental note (say, 5250 RPM at 20% throttle). Go back to the shop and richen that particular area on the fuel map, upload the new map to the Powercommander, and take it back out for a spin. When you have it running good all over, your "seat of the pants" tuning is complete. Of course it's not as scientific as the pros with a dynomometer, but it's cheaper, and my bike now runs flawlessly from lugging along like a tractor to flat-out flying. I hope this helps a few different threads on this subject.

 

[Joliet]

Here's how I systematically approached getting my 08 TE 250 upgraded with the Husky (Athena) 300 kit and running properly. First off, after initial break-in as the original 250 new back in 08, I installed the Power-up kit. (Without the power up, the bike ran ok, but not great). For "Stossy", the power up consists of removing the O2 sensor from the exhaust pipe, plugging the hole with the brass plug/washer, and fitting a jumper plug in the electrical connection that the O2 sensor used to be plugged into under the gas tank. On the 08's the catalytic convertor was in the muffler, so they gave you another Arrow muffler with no catalytic convertor - in the 09's the catalytic convertor is in the exhaust pipe just before the muffler - remove it and put the stock muffler back on. Lastly, make sure the throttle stop is out - mine was already removed by the dealer. When I put the 300 kit on this year, I made the mistake of replacing my 08 250 ECU with the new 300 ECU supplied from Husky with my kit - leaving it in power up mode, it ran poorly. Also, because the new ECU was essentially one from the 09 310, it wasn't compatable with my 08 bike dash...the neutral light kept flashing. I took the 300 ECU off and replaced it with my original 08 250 ECU so the dash functioned properly, and even though it was thinking it was firing a smaller 250, it ran better than with the 310 ECU, but not great. My problems were that it surged terribly at lower RPMs and backfired terribly on decelleration (both because of a too lean condition in my case). I should add that after the install, the dealer did set the TPS correctly and made all the proper ibeat adjustments before I did all my work. After talking to Dynojet about my particular setup, I installed a Dynojet Powercommander III designed for an 08 TE250 - even though my bike was now a 300. They admitted they had no fuel maps for my setup and said I'd have to (in their exact words) "Tune by the seat of your pants", so here's what I did. First I created my own starting fuel map by taking Dynojet's already proven fuel map for a 250 and increased all their numbers by 20% - figuring I had 20% more motor to fire - and uploaded it to my Powercommander. I then took a silver Sharpie marker and put a small dot on the rubber flange of my throttle grip - close to the plastic throttle housing. Directly beside that dot, I put a line on the throttle housing so they lined up. Then I opened the throttle to 100% and again put a line on the throttle housing across from the dot on the rubber grip. Next I measured the total distance between the 2 marks - 0% and 100% on the throttle housing and duplicated that with marks on a piece of paper (about 2" long). Using a ruler, I then made marks on that piece of paper at 5%, 10%, 20%, 40%, 60% and 80%. Next I lined that piece of paper up to the 0% and 100% marks already on my throttle housing, and using that silver Sharpie, added the marks for the other percentages onto the throttle housing. Now comes the fun part... Take the bike out for a spin on easy trails with the dash set to RPMs - when the bike stumbles from running too lean, look at the dash for RPMs and the throttle position and take a mental note (say, 5250 RPM at 20% throttle). Go back to the shop and richen that particular area on the fuel map, upload the new map to the Powercommander, and take it back out for a spin. When you have it running good all over, your "seat of the pants" tuning is complete. Of course it's not as scientific as the pros with a dynomometer, but it's cheaper, and my bike now runs flawlessly from lugging along like a tractor to flat-out flying. I hope this helps a few different threads on this subject.

Nice work, thanks for taking the time to post. If I could make one suggestion- PARAGRAPHS

 

[bbcmat]

That's great work MCHammer - and YOU have control over the entire fueling process.

MAT

 

[MChammer]

It really is easy - and I'm no computer guru. I was amazed how big the difference was for such small increases 2% - 3% more fuel in certain areas was all it took to take it from breaking up/stumbling to smooth throttle/power.

 

[petem]

Here's how I systematically approached getting my 08 TE 250 upgraded with the Husky (Athena) 300 kit and running properly. ...

As well as all the other changes you mentioned, on the 09 TE450 (at least on the UK model) there's also a *very* restrictive standard frame that the air filter wraps around. The power-up kit includes a much less restrictive one, basically just a bare skeleton to hold the filter in place.

As Motorhead said, the bike should come with all the power-up parts including the air filter frame, either in a package or already fitted to the bike (in which case you should get a package containing the standard bits that were removed).

 

[Powellyte450]

If I had an efi bike I can assure you much information would be flowing, I do not have one and will not be getting one in the near future. If there were time (and there is not) I would try to get with people and experiment on their bike with an ibeat & power commander.

Maybe when someone that I know well gets an efi bike that may happen.

Dean
If Ive done this rightqoute or reply to this statemeant correctly.
I am more than happy to throw a 400 mile 2008 TE 450 into this test and I am as you know 15 miles from you.
I have a large shop here and about a half acre of private test ground if you want to give it a whirl.

 

[Coffee]

Dean
If Ive done this rightqoute or reply to this statemeant correctly.
I am more than happy to throw a 400 mile 2008 TE 450 into this test and I am as you know 15 miles from you.
I have a large shop here and about a half acre of private test ground if you want to give it a whirl.

Sound good, I'm still working out a few details and my PC V & Autotune is unavailable for 2 more weeks.

 

[Powellyte450]

Cool

No Pressure.