• Hi everyone,

    As you all know, Coffee (Dean) passed away a couple of years ago. I am Dean's ex-wife's husband and happen to have spent my career in tech. Over the years, I occasionally helped Dean with various tech issues.

    When he passed, I worked with his kids to gather the necessary credentials to keep this site running. Since then (and for however long they worked with Coffee), Woodschick and Dirtdame have been maintaining the site and covering the costs. Without their hard work and financial support, CafeHusky would have been lost.

    Over the past couple of weeks, I’ve been working to migrate the site to a free cloud compute instance so that Woodschick and Dirtdame no longer have to fund it. At the same time, I’ve updated the site to a current version of XenForo (the discussion software it runs on). The previous version was outdated and no longer supported.

    Unfortunately, the new software version doesn’t support importing the old site’s styles, so for now, you’ll see the XenForo default style. This may change over time.

    Coffee didn’t document the work he did on the site, so I’ve been digging through the old setup to understand how everything was running. There may still be things I’ve missed. One known issue is that email functionality is not yet working on the new site, but I hope to resolve this over time.

    Thanks for your patience and support!

husky bmw hybrid

yeah and we could make QD motor packages, removable frame sections, cassette gearboxes,,,,,how about split and keyed (dovetail style) CS sprockets...(hello aftermarket).... The bike is what it is the design is getting finalized with final production soon to follow. There will always be a final line drawn on the layout, plusses and minus'. cost effectivity, and style, and mechanical maintenance features. Guys all of us have ideas and certain opinions from experience and from, well just ideas. With all the new electronic stuff, I will bet the machine will be optimized for the design intent in FI, Timing and gearing all functioning as one platform. Will she need gearing changes for some forms of competition,,,,maybe dez for indoor sx??? so thats a rear sprocket swap....why even discuss these home remedy things its just a brand new machine, and I dont think any of us are submitting resume's or building bikes in our engineering and manfacturing firms. So this is the machine. the new 450 (450+) this is it and now wait for the other bikes coming down the line for more excitement (2T)!! Just wanted to get that out.
 
tm_enduro;92880 said:
I am baffled by folks that complain about how hard something may be to work on. I have been riding bikes for 35+ years now, I can tell you that it is the rare occasion when I have to work on a bike on the trail. I will go on record saying that I use a rivoted masterlink chain, and remove the swingarm to put on a new chain, just to reduce the potential of a masterlink failure (I ride lots of mud and rocks). Things like CS changing, and sparkplug access don't make me fret. The traction benefit of a shared CS/SA pivot far outweigh a few minutes to change the CS to me. Folks are using trails tires and risking flats when the BMW/Husky uses a mechanical solution to traction.

TM- part of what makes up Huskies' current rep is 'Ease of Service'

Let me repeat that: 'Ease of service'!
Changing the new CS is not a 'few minutes' type job, but will be typically in excess of an hour and requiring a good cleaning of the rear suspension parts first. I agree that the mechanical traction advantage is a good one, but could be executed better regarding servicing a high wear item like the CS sprocket.
The new design is fine for a pro rider that has a mechanic doing all his bike work, but not really ideal for the typical offroad guy(which is 90%+ of the market). It doesn't make sense to remove the rear suspension to replace an item that many guys will R&R several times a year( or, in some cases on a weekly or ride by ride basis). Last fall, the organizer of the Cord Enduro went thru 3 CS sprockets in a couple weeks prepping the course. Something tells me he wouldn't have appreciated having a 1-2 hour job ahead of him each time for that necessity.
It doesn't sound like you've needed to dewater a bike on the trail - you quickly appreciate having easy air filter/carb/injector and sparkplug access when you're out in gods country with a bike full of water. especially when you've had to do it numerous times.

PS- I ride lots of mud/rocks also and never had a Masterlink fail- I leave them on for over 6000km each. Even so, I always have a spare with me.
 
Slowpoke;92892 said:
TM- part of what makes up Huskies' current rep is 'Ease of Service'

Let me repeat that: 'Ease of service'!
Changing the new CS is not a 'few minutes' type job, but will be typically in excess of an hour and requiring a good cleaning of the rear suspension parts first. I agree that the mechanical traction advantage is a good one, but could be executed better regarding servicing a high wear item like the CS sprocket.
The new design is fine for a pro rider that has a mechanic doing all his bike work, but not really ideal for the typical offroad guy(which is 90%+ of the market). It doesn't make sense to remove the rear suspension to replace an item that many guys will R&R several times a year( or, in some cases on a weekly or ride by ride basis). Last fall, the organizer of the Cord Enduro went thru 3 CS sprockets in a couple weeks prepping the course. Something tells me he wouldn't have appreciated having a 1-2 hour job ahead of him each time for that necessity.
It doesn't sound like you've needed to dewater a bike on the trail - you quickly appreciate having easy air filter/carb/injector and sparkplug access when you're out in gods country with a bike full of water. especially when you've had to do it numerous times.

PS- I ride lots of mud/rocks also and never had a Masterlink fail- I leave them on for over 6000km each. Even so, I always have a spare with me.

Your points are well taken but I don't really understand the issue about the countershaft sprocket. I haven't changed a countershaft sprocket in 10 years once I have the correct one installed for the type of riding I do. After that it is a question of which rear sprocket to run. I see this as a one time operation and done. Maybe your riding is different. For me its simply is not an issue. By the way the last time I fouled a sparkplug on a four stroke on the trail was in the early 90's. The issues you bring up are issues that existed more in the 70's and 80s not recently.

I do understand that there are special circumstances and rare occassions that this may come into play. It would be the rare exception rather than the norm. Fortunately we still make a bunch of other models without this feature for you to choose from.

Thanks again for the inpout.
 
dartyppyt;92884 said:
Scot,

Mid Ohio July? Great place to kick it off. Would be neat to test ride one at the event.

It's about time Husky started leading the pack again!

Unfortunately we will only have one of the new 450s at that time for display purposes only for our dealers. The public debut will be later this fall.
 
HuskyT;92840 said:
Going back to the technical side of things, I can't believe that anyone has serious concern about not having a kicker. E-start is perfect. I have a TC450 with stock factory e-start and it hasn't let me down in 5 years. It has been quite nice to hit the little red button whenever I have stalled in a race.

I want one. So much for saving for a 2010. I'll continue to wait.

Scot - Will the TC have 19" rear still?

T

Yes TC will have 19" rear wheel and other standard items you expect from TC as will TE and TXC be fitted with items you would expect on those model platforms.
 
aethelred;92849 said:
I think it was the attitude taken and the way things were said that might of offended other members. I would call it maybe a little bit condescending.

We don't really want to hear the sales and marketing pitch on here. We all are already Husky owners...

Isn't the customer the Boss.


As the National Marketing Director for Husqvarna North America I'm sorry to say everything I say and write will have some sales and marketing pitch to it. It comes with the territory. At the same time I attempt to provide accurate infomation on what is really going on with the brand. From what I can see this is a fairly rare commodity most of the time on the internet.

I am interested in constructive criticism and feedback conducted in a civil manner. I have no expectation that everyone buys into "what we are selling". That is for each individual to decide.

I get the impression that most of the partcipants in this forum appreciate the opportunity to have a dialogue with someone from the "factory".

Frankly speaking you won't find any of the other executives from any of the other brands venturing into this type of forum to engage their customers. I would hope that the majority of the CafeHusky members find this of some value.

If you don't you can simply choose to ignore what I say.

You are right the customer is boss in that you get to decide where to spend your money. What you don't get to do is be derisive or obnoxious and expect anyone at the other end to listen.

Thank you for your feedback. Its an important part of the exchange.
 
Slowpoke;92892 said:
TM- part of what makes up Huskies' current rep is 'Ease of Service'

Let me repeat that: 'Ease of service'!
Changing the new CS is not a 'few minutes' type job, but will be typically in excess of an hour and requiring a good cleaning of the rear suspension parts first. I agree that the mechanical traction advantage is a good one, but could be executed better regarding servicing a high wear item like the CS sprocket.
The new design is fine for a pro rider that has a mechanic doing all his bike work, but not really ideal for the typical offroad guy(which is 90%+ of the market). It doesn't make sense to remove the rear suspension to replace an item that many guys will R&R several times a year( or, in some cases on a weekly or ride by ride basis). Last fall, the organizer of the Cord Enduro went thru 3 CS sprockets in a couple weeks prepping the course. Something tells me he wouldn't have appreciated having a 1-2 hour job ahead of him each time for that necessity.
It doesn't sound like you've needed to dewater a bike on the trail - you quickly appreciate having easy air filter/carb/injector and sparkplug access when you're out in gods country with a bike full of water. especially when you've had to do it numerous times.

PS- I ride lots of mud/rocks also and never had a Masterlink fail- I leave them on for over 6000km each. Even so, I always have a spare with me.

Ok so let's talk the pluses,.......Ever ride a current generation Husky through any water? If it's up the the axles you have to baby step through it or you're sucking in water, plain and simple. Just ask Glenn Kearney/Wyatt Seals or the several HSQ's I've been with/on the trail. With the new BMW design, water has to be to your knee caps (while riding/feet on the pegs) before you're even thinking about sucking water and the air filter maintenance is MUCH simpler then the HSQ current platform. That is something anyone and everyone can relate to. It's almost idiot proof, but it needs servicing about 1/3 of the interval because it sucks in cleaner and drier air. It also allows gravity to let the big chunks fall to the bottom of the box as to not impede the filter whatsoever.

Poke, why do you assume that the rear suspension has to be taken off? I can't say with certainty you don't have to remove it on the new HSQ set up, but on my BMW I do not remove the rear shock at all, in fact it helps make the CS sprocket change that much easier. I remove rear wheel to get enough chain slack (an take off some weight from the swing arm), I then loosen the left swing arm pivot pinch bolt, I then take off the left pivot cap, then loosen the right swing arm pinch bolts, then remove pivot shaft all together. At that point the rear swing arm is a pendulum on the shock and will swing back out of the way of the CS sprocket. I then take off two 8mm bolts from the CS and lock ring. Slide sprocket off, insert other one and reverse the process with one alteration to the torque sequence of the pivot assembly. Cleaning of the pivot areas in contact with chain goo and grease takes about 20 seconds with a rag and brake clean. The only special service tool is a grease gun to re-grease the pivot after everything is assembled. However in a pinch it could be done at camp or the track and re-lubed when you get home, but best to shoot a shot or two of grease back in after assembly or after cleaning the bike up from a ride. It's much like greasing the king pin of an old four wheel drive, just add enough to see the CS seal spew a bubble on each side and you're off! I don't know if HSQ has revised this set-up, but I'm sure they've changed it up a tad as the frame is different for sure. I've got to the point where I have two rear wheels as I use the bike for dual sport and single track. So I have my dirt wheel and DS wheel with dirt wheel having a 51 tooth rear sprocket and the DS wheel a 47 tooth sprocket and now don't feel the need to change out the 15th CS sprocket. I can flip the rear axle block and take up most all of the slack with only a little adjustment of the chain tension. I also got over 80 hours on a stock rear aluminum sprocket and probably had another 20 - 30 to go when I replaced it last month, done that lately? I thought it was pretty good compared to my maintenance on HSQ, KTM and Yammy dirt bikes prior. The constant chain tension is very nice in both tractability and maintenance costs.

On the BMW G450X Spark plug access is a tad bit more involved, but nothing that couldn't be done on a side of a trail with an 8mm socket/driver and a spark plug puller, 3 bolts and the bottom of air box comes off with two quick release tabs (however with 3 zeus fasteners instead of 3 8mm body bolts you could get to the spark plug in 1 minute with no tools! However read the air box part and how difficult it is to swallow water on this set-up, so the likely hood of having to get to a spark plug with the fuel injection and unlikely chance of swallowing water on the trail is very very mute!

The new KTM XC's don't have a kick start and they are carbed, so this is the direction things are going in. If you don't trust the OEM battery, get one of them high dollar new-tech Iron Ferride batteries the size of a cigarette pack that can start a Toyota for $400 and you'll not be worried about reserve battery power for Estart.
 
BMWHusky Atlanta;92910 said:
Slowpoke;92892 said:
Ok so let's talk the pluses,.......Ever ride a current generation Husky through any water? If it's up the the axles you have to baby step through it or you're sucking in water, plain and simple. Just ask Glenn Kearney/Wyatt Seals or the several HSQ's I've been with/on the trail. With the new BMW design, water has to be to your knee caps (while riding/feet on the pegs) before you're even thinking about sucking water and the air filter maintenance is MUCH simpler then the HSQ current platform. That is something anyone and everyone can relate to. It's almost idiot proof, but it needs servicing about 1/3 of the interval because it sucks in cleaner and drier air. It also allows gravity to let the big chunks fall to the bottom of the box as to not impede the filter whatsoever.

Poke, why do you assume that the rear suspension has to be taken off? I can't say with certainty you don't have to remove it on the new HSQ set up, but on my BMW I do not remove the rear shock at all, in fact it helps make the CS sprocket change that much easier. I remove rear wheel to get enough chain slack (an take off some weight from the swing arm), I then loosen the left swing arm pivot pinch bolt, I then take off the left pivot cap, then loosen the right swing arm pinch bolts, then remove pivot shaft all together. At that point the rear swing arm is a pendulum on the shock and will swing back out of the way of the CS sprocket. I then take off two 8mm bolts from the CS and lock ring. Slide sprocket off, insert other one and reverse the process with one alteration to the torque sequence of the pivot assembly. Cleaning of the pivot areas in contact with chain goo and grease takes about 20 seconds with a rag and brake clean. The only special service tool is a grease gun to re-grease the pivot after everything is assembled. However in a pinch it could be done at camp or the track and re-lubed when you get home, but best to shoot a shot or two of grease back in after assembly or after cleaning the bike up from a ride. It's much like greasing the king pin of an old four wheel drive, just add enough to see the CS seal spew a bubble on each side and you're off! I don't know if HSQ has revised this set-up, but I'm sure they've changed it up a tad as the frame is different for sure. I've got to the point where I have two rear wheels as I use the bike for dual sport and single track. So I have my dirt wheel and DS wheel with dirt wheel having a 51 tooth rear sprocket and the DS wheel a 47 tooth sprocket and now don't feel the need to change out the 15th CS sprocket. I can flip the rear axle block and take up most all of the slack with only a little adjustment of the chain tension. I also got over 80 hours on a stock rear aluminum sprocket and probably had another 20 - 30 to go when I replaced it last month, done that lately? I thought it was pretty good compared to my maintenance on HSQ, KTM and Yammy dirt bikes prior. The constant chain tension is very nice in both tractability and maintenance costs.

On the BMW G450X Spark plug access is a tad bit more involved, but nothing that couldn't be done on a side of a trail with an 8mm socket/driver and a spark plug puller, 3 bolts and the bottom of air box comes off with two quick release tabs (however with 3 zeus fasteners instead of 3 8mm body bolts you could get to the spark plug in 1 minute with no tools! However read the air box part and how difficult it is to swallow water on this set-up, so the likely hood of having to get to a spark plug with the fuel injection and unlikely chance of swallowing water on the trail is very very mute!

The new KTM XC's don't have a kick start and they are carbed, so this is the direction things are going in. If you don't trust the OEM battery, get one of them high dollar new-tech Iron Ferride batteries the size of a cigarette pack that can start a Toyota for $400 and you'll not be worried about reserve battery power for Estart.


Thanks for mentioning the part about the airbox design. Its location and where it breathes from is a real plus. This alone will help with engine longevity. Once I really understood how it worked I was impressed.

The testing we have done with the G450Xs is that the filter stays cleaner for a much longer period of time. The old/current design has its downsides. Unless you completely redesign the lower part of the box you are bound to suck water in deep stream crossings. We really have to keep an eye on this on Glenn's bikes.
 
Husky riders are a different breed . For some reason we love our bike and want everone else to feel the same way .I see by Scot taking the time to come on and exchange
talk that small company feeling will continue .When i first talked to Ty Davis about Huskys i told him it was like the old ATK days where the factory was still involved
at the custermer level .BUT Husky has more money and is on the rise ,then the BMV thing happened and it got even better .Now we see a new bike with the 2 companies working together not just a mother company with its little side line of dirt bikes called Husky we see a new working partnership and i for one still love my Husky .The way i talk and most of the other people on this line talk about our bikes you would think we were on the payroll Be it a 2 stroke or 4 stroke i see myself on a Husky for a long time
 
BMWHusky Atlanta;92910 said:
Ok so let's talk the pluses,.......Ever ride a current generation Husky through any water? If it's up the the axles you have to baby step through it or you're sucking in water, plain and simple. Just ask Glenn Kearney/Wyatt Seals or the several HSQ's I've been with/on the trail. With the new BMW design, water has to be to your knee caps (while riding/feet on the pegs) before you're even thinking about sucking water and the air filter maintenance is MUCH simpler then the HSQ current platform. That is something anyone and everyone can relate to. It's almost idiot proof, but it needs servicing about 1/3 of the interval because it sucks in cleaner and drier air. It also allows gravity to let the big chunks fall to the bottom of the box as to not impede the filter whatsoever.
As an owner of multiple Husabergs since 1992, I can confirm that the high placed air filter is a major plus. I have never sucked water into any of my 'bergs. Also, inspite of Hbg having a twinkie for an air filter, the filters stay quite clean.
Again, being a Hbg owner with the PDS that has to be run absurdly loose, I welcome the shared CS/SA pivot, if for no other reason than to rid myself of the constant chain slap noise.
 
Re the airbox.

I wasn't commenting about the airbox on the new bike, but I'm sure it's good. I like how the new bergs have theirs.
On my 07, I took a few pieces of 1/4" thick weather stripping and sealed up the sides of the airbox. I used a cheap chunk of plastic cut from a tie down package to mostly seal up the bottom hole/act as a one way valve. I rerouted the carb vent lines up under the tank.
I can easily ride thru water up to my kneecaps now - only cost me a couple bux and a half hour of time.

I wasn't commenting on fouled plugs, but rather the need to easily access them when you water out a bike - something that is fairly common up here. You either remove the plug or bend a rod- removing the plug is a better choice.
You guys need to come up and ride Ontario. There is everything here; sand, mud, water, clay, loam, water, rocks, water.

BMW-
I wear out CS sprockets with reasonable frequency and so do many guys I ride with.
Oddly enough the 1st stock Husky Aluminum rear sprocket lasted me over 200 hrs.(not kidding) I'm still surprised at that considering the crap I ride in most of the time.
Looking at the pics, it appears the swing arm has to be removed to R&R the CS sprocket- hence my thoughts on that. That turns a 10 minute job into something much longer. It's also cheaper and much quicker to make gearing changes at the front rather than using multiple rear sprockets and/ or multiple wheels.

Never commented about the Battery/kick start.
 
tm_enduro;92880 said:
I am baffled by folks that complain about how hard something may be to work on.


Agreed 10 fold. :thumbsup: last year I raced two AMA series (enduro and harescramble). I think I changed the CS twice....not a big deal. It obviously has to be somewhat more work but does anyone else offer a bike with this CS location and next generation rear suspension? Nope.

I'll offer this up. When Bobby gets in his first new Husky's with this CS configuration, I will gladly do a demo video for Coffee to post on CS changing. I live about 8 miles from Bobby's shop. I'll do it here, do it there, doesn't matter - I'm game. (I do have decent wrenching skills from doing all the work on my race bikes ;)) I'll offer to do this on Bobby's BMW too, but it's obviously different.
 
I think we should wait to see before deciding it's not worthy, Europe is leading edge for tech. Japan is where to look for same old same old. Fuel injected 2-strokes coming soon also. But whatever it is the U.S. mags will rate it below Kawasaki fer shur. Just put some aftermarket parts on my wr250, they are called Metzlers. Just kiddin, i am interested in the bell-crank set up for the rear shock. It will be curious to see the leverage ratio as opposed to the system now in place. You can bet if it is Italian it will be very good looking and detailed. I'm looking forward to it myself.
 
Husky Relic;92773 said:
The good Lord reminds me constantly to be grateful for what I have and not to despair over things I "want" but don't have. We have so much to be grateful for, a great country, a great way of life, a great sport, our friends, family and health. All this motorcycle stuff is just icing on the cake. Really what's the difference between a 200 and a 630when you get right down to it. Hope to ride with you someday Kelly!

80 plus pounds :D

Your right and I'm blessed with a great fam as well. A strong foundation makes it all worth it. :thumbsup: Well that and a garage full of huskys :p
 
Also just noticed there is no front engine/frame mounting. I can not see any physical changes to the G450x engine. Please tell me know where the changes are? BMW must have a load of these engines as old stock.
 
aethelred;92932 said:
Also just noticed there is no front engine/frame mounting. I can not see any physical changes to the G450x engine. Please tell me know where the changes are? BMW must have a load of these engines as old stock.

The physical changes are the addition of a hydraulic actuated clutch system and internal changes to the head and clutch assembly which you cannot see.

BMW does not have aload of these engines in stock. This updated version will go into production soon for inclusion into our bike.

Lastly the motors will say "Husqvarna" on them not "BMW"
 
aethelred;92932 said:
Also just noticed there is no front engine/frame mounting. I can not see any physical changes to the G450x engine. Please tell me know where the changes are? BMW must have a load of these engines as old stock.

By the way what the heck does "saucers and milk" mean? My boss is Scottish, my best friend is from Cornwall so I am constantly exposed to this British colloquilisms. You guys have a cool phrase for everything.
 
Slowpoke;92921 said:
I wasn't commenting on fouled plugs, but rather the need to easily access them when you water out a bike - something that is fairly common up here.
Heh. You guys are nuts! :D

ARod2000;92922 said:
I'll offer this up. When Bobby gets in his first new Husky's with this CS configuration, I will gladly do a demo video for Coffee to post on CS changing. I live about 8 miles from Bobby's shop. I'll do it here, do it there, doesn't matter - I'm game. (I do have decent wrenching skills from doing all the work on my race bikes ;)) I'll offer to do this on Bobby's BMW too, but it's obviously different.

Sounds fantastic! I can see you! New google feature that tracks people down when posting on forums called Forum Tracker. You need to loose some weight.

Just kidding of course

Scot, I'm not sure you know what we are talking about, or if you have ever seen this video. Fast forward to the interesting part at about 1:40. Do you think these types of things could be used to show people how to do things, dispel doubt, and overcome market resistance to the newer concepts? And therefore increase sales?

If you don't think it helps out, it would be good to know before the effort is made. These things take time.

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Coffee;92937 said:
Scot, I'm not sure you know what we are talking about, or if you have ever seen this video. Fast forward to the interesting part at about 1:40. Do you think these types of things could be used to show people how to do things, dispel doubt, and overcome market resistance to the newer concepts? And therefore increase sales?

If you don't think it helps out, it would be good to know before the effort is made. These things take time.


Yeah but your vid is wrong**************************************** The feeler guage goes between the shim and rocker not between the rocker and cam. :doh:
 
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