Ethanol in your gas ?

[Norman Foley]

VP100 (aka StreetBlaze 100)Oxygenated with ethanol, this CARB-legal fuel is specifically engineered for high-performance motorcycles and more. It's environmentally friendly and street legal throughout the U.S. VP100 makes substantially more power than pump gas as well as offering better throttle response, a critical factor when navigating jumps, streams or around trees. Its higher octane also offers better detonation protection for extreme conditions such as slogging through mud or sand washes with the throttle pinned. When unleaded fuel is required, VP100 is a very cost-effective option in terms of performance gained for dollars spent compared to pump gas (VP’s U4.2 offers even better performance gains when leaded fuels are permitted). Contains no metal compounds and won't harm catalytic converters .

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VP-110™Not your "standard" 110! Highest rated MON of any 110 fuel on the market. Formulated for use in naturally aspirated engines with CRs up to approximately 12:1-13:1. Good lower cost alternative
Just found this on their web site, which one are you guys using the one with ethanol or with lead ? and now I am wondering which one they are offering at the local race track? They also make T-2 that is premixed at 40:1 and is a leaded fuel.
with so many options I am in the dark now. I just want to go fill my can or pick up a can of the right stuff...

VP-110 is the most popular around here. I use VP-SEF 94. It's not considered race gas and has a separate web site.

 

[lankydoug]

Where I live in MO vp110 is the least expensive unless I buy a barrel. When I'm in Pueblo CO there is a gas station that has regular looking gas pumps but with a choice of VP110, no ethanol 91, StreetBlaze 100 and they also have a small warehouse with barrels of about every fuel VP offers. On Fridays there are street bikers, people with boats filling up to go to the lake, circle track racers, drag racers all filling up for their weekend rides. I talked to the owner and he said that the way CO laws were written he had to move his business just outside city limits so he could sell the off-road fuels. He was doing a booming business, he even sold vp tee shirts and additives.

The AV 100LL is probably the best option if you're close to an airport.

 

[Motosportz]

10-15% ethanol is all we have here. All my bikes run pump gas with ethanol, never had an issue.

 

[disonny]

A friend of mine has a vintage Saracen with a fiberglass tank and the ethanol fuel destroyed his tank. But other friends of mine have had no trouble with their penton fiberglass tanks.

 

[dmw_az]

The use of and percentage of ethanol in gas seems to be a hot debate lately. Our fuel here in AZ is normally 10% Ethanol, and we have a few stations scattered about that sell e85. As mentioned above, it is hydroscopic, so it absorbs water and causes problems. Fortunately, here in AZ, we have such low humidity, that we don't suffer from the problems that other parts of the country do.

I run e85 in my car because it provides tremendous HP and TQ gains. It is extremely popular for cars with turbos because it not only cools the combustion chambers, but also allows you to run a lot more timing. I seriously pickup about 80 rwhp on my car when I switch from 91 octane to e85 because I can run more boost and more timing. I do have to completely change my tune (aka map), but man, what a gain.

The gas mileage goes down 30%, but it also costs much less than premium, so the overall cost is about the same.

 

[Auto5guy]

Here's a website that's a big help in avoiding ethanol gas.

pure-gas.org

 

[84scrambler]

Ok guys, found some vp100 today that was 10 miles from me. Called the vp distributor and found a machine shop that sells it for 10 bucks a gal.
bought some mixed it and put it in the 79 wr and instantly no more decel. pinking and its worth every penny when you get a wiff of this stuff , o man does it smell good....

 

[justintendo]

my friend used to always buy vp and when mix with a bit of castor really is quite the awesome aroma!

 

[dartyppyt]

Yeah good stuff and don't have to worry bout cleaning carb! Also in my four stroke. I don't worry bout injectors and the cumbustion chambers and valves look great!
Worth every penny.

 

[kanur]

You could always run av100LL that's short for aviation , 100 octane, and low lead. Yes , the average guy can go to the local airport with your regular 5 gal. red gas can marked for off road only and buy it just like your corner store. It's usually around 4.50 per gal.

This is what I've been doing for years, solves lots of problems. I use it in bikes, chainsaws, weedeaters, leaf blowers, ect

 

[lankydoug]

In NY 10% Ethanol gas is the standard. A lot of stations sell 91 Non-Ethanol, but it's sold from a mixing pump, that also has 87 and 89 Ethanol gas. Friend in fuel business told me, it takes about 4 gals, to clear the previous fuel grade pumped, before what you selected gets pumped. If you pump 5 gal of 91 Non-Ethanol in you bike can, you are getting 4 gals of 87 Ethanol/1 gal 91!

He also told me that Ethanol is added at tank farm, by the driver. He loads what he thinks is 90% full and then adds the Ethanol. It's not really accurate. Local shop had fuel sample checked.... 24% Ethanol!

Where did you get the information that it takes about 4 gallons to clear the pump hose and mechanism? This is a big deal if it's true, I always figured it was more like 1/2 gallon before the previous fuel was clear. I usually pump some fuel in my truck before I get pump gas for my Honda Rancher 4 wheeler or push mower (the only off-road things I own that doesn't get VP110)

There are many stations that are not listed on the Pure Gas app because they don't have a dedicated no ethanol pump but do sell no ethanol fuel.

 

[Norman Foley]

Where did you get the information that it takes about 4 gallons to clear the pump hose and mechanism? This is a big deal if it's true, I always figured it was more like 1/2 gallon before the previous fuel was clear. I usually pump some fuel in my truck before I get pump gas for my Honda Rancher 4 wheeler or push mower (the only off-road things I own that doesn't get VP110)

There are many stations that are not listed on the Pure Gas app because they don't have a dedicated no ethanol pump but do sell no ethanol fuel.

One of my riding buddies, works for one of the biggest fuel transport outfits, as a mechanic/driver. I think he knows what he's talking about. Fuel for my lawnmower, etc; I take my wife's pick up (My work van is diesel) and always pump 5 gallons in the truck first and then fill non ethanol can. I run VP SEF 94, in my bikes.

 

[Motosportz]

According to the American Petroleum Institute the gas-pump hose typically retains about one third of a gallon of fuel.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122944043385810527

 

[lankydoug]

According to the American Petroleum Institute the gas-pump hose typically retains about one third of a gallon of fuel.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122944043385810527

Thanks,
I tried finding this info and I kept coming up with issues of pump volumes and prices not being accurate. 1/3 gal sounds reasonable since it would stand to reason that the valve separating the kinds of fuel would be in inlet of the gas pump. The volume errors could throw off your premix ratios if you bought a small amount of fuel but not likely in bigger increments.

 

[Norman Foley]

The way my friend explained it, there may be the previously dispensed fuel, in the line all the way back to the storage tank depending on the system. If the storage tank is a good distance from the pump, this amount increases. I always thought it was closer to a quart....