Crf Rekluse on X-Lite

[4stroker]

Hi.
I'm running my TC 250 2010 on enduros and I need a Rekluse or a new bike, the 1st is too tall but the bike it's perfect for racing enduros.
Rekluse only sale the full package CORE EXP for this bike, but is near 1.000 euros.
This bike fits the same clutch than CRF 250 and SXF 250, friction and metalic plates are the same reference in this bikes.
My question is:
Can I put the cheaper EXP on my bike? This pack is the same clutch without housing and cover. Anyone knows issues with stock basket and housing?

Thanks.

 

[bigmo]

Hi.
I'm running my TC 250 2010 on enduros and I need a Rekluse or a new bike, the 1st is too tall but the bike it's perfect for racing enduros.
Rekluse only sale the full package CORE EXP for this bike, but is near 1.000 euros.
This bike fits the same clutch than CRF 250 and SXF 250, friction and metalic plates are the same reference in this bikes.
My question is:
Can I put the cheaper EXP on my bike? This pack is the same clutch without housing and cover. Anyone knows issues with stock basket and housing?

Thanks.

HIGHLY doubtful it will work. I know that the CRF250R and CRF250X have different Rekluse models as the clutch RPM is 3-4% different and that small difference in RPM impacts engagement to the point they needed to develop another model.

There are a ton of bikes that share drive and friction plates and have very different natured motors - thus a very different Rekluse.

 

[4stroker]

HIGHLY doubtful it will work. I know that the CRF250R and CRF250X have different Rekluse models as the clutch RPM is 3-4% different and that small difference in RPM impacts engagement to the point they needed to develop another model.

There are a ton of bikes that share drive and friction plates and have very different natured motors - thus a very different Rekluse.

Ops! My clutch can work at different rpm's than Honda...

Today I put a CRF 450 R 09 Rekluse in to CRE 250 01, only need adjustment. Is for that because I'm thinking in the Husqvarna, but I don't like to buy a new one for waste the money.

Thank's a lot!!!

 

[bigmo]

The new EXP "wedge" design are brilliant IMO - super simple and they work amazingly well. If they made one for the 449 or 511 I would buy it in a heartbeat.

I believe that you could probably retrofit the older z-Start style as there was quite a bit more room for user tuning. The newer EXP based models are a sort of you get what you get. That being said, what you get works perfectly for their intended application.

I dont know if you have seen the EXP, but I was like - why the heck didnt I think of that. It has all of about 12 parts to it!

 

[4stroker]

I'm looking for the primary drive ratio and CRF is 3.611 and TC is 3.176.
The SXF 250 has the same clutch but primary ratio is under 2.800. I think is not a big difference between Honda and Husky.
My CRE 250 is 3.000 and the CRF 2.739, and runs perfect with adjustment.

I'm confused...

 

[TRIPLE-M]

I have the EXP on my KTM300, I think biggest issue is install gap adjustment. Mine came with a adjustable clutch slave from Rekluse, is there one for the TC?

 

[Micfasto]

You will lose a friction plate and my guess is that the Husky may need all the friction plates it can get. (Rekluse said this to me 2 years ago)

If you have one and it fits try it. Worst that can happen is you have to by new plates if it slips to much.

 

[jetrep]

you could compare the parts diagrams on their website for the two different clutches to see the differences. I think you will need the adjustable slave

 

[bigmo]

you could compare the parts diagrams on their website for the two different clutches to see the differences. I think you will need the adjustable slave

That is my point - you are going to need several parts pieced from different systems that were not made to work together.

Zoom out for a moment - if Rekluse had a clutch that worked in another bike and they could open a new market with zero investment...don't you think they would be selling it?

The best solution is to call them directly and ask their opinion. They are good guys and will tell you straight up. I personally think you will be throwing money down a hole and will wind up with solution with highly suspect reliability/functionality.

 

[4stroker]

You will lose a friction plate and my guess is that the Husky may need all the friction plates it can get. (Rekluse said this to me 2 years ago)

If you have one and it fits try it. Worst that can happen is you have to by new plates if it slips to much.

This is what I think.... need all the friction plates or it turns too much slippery, so that's why need the Rekluse basket and cover.
I'm very interested in the Rekluse, but 1.000 euros is too much for a 2010 bike. Concurrently this bike is a perfect weapon for my enduros, better than a new one.

Thanks for the replies, now I must call to Rekluse.

 

[bigmo]

There is another option - you might try Gary at EFM. He sort of force fits application on many different platforms. There are some downsides, however, as I do not believe he makes any auto clutches that retain any clutch or clutch override. The design is very similar to the older Rekluse Z-Start. I do know that for almost all applications, you have to send the basket to him for modifications.

I have owned both an EFM and Rekluse and there is no comparison. The Rekluse (even old models) outperformed the EFM hands down. The new EXP designs are a darn work of engineering art.

All that being said, his price is in the neighborhood of $500-600 USD. it is worth checking into. He may have made significant advances over the past few years, but doesn't do much in the way of advertising etc.. I took mine off after about half a season. After having to replace the clutch pack twice. I sold it on Ebay and switched to a Rekluse and never looked back. An old Z-start in a KTM 400 is on year 8 or 9 with the original clutch pack and has never had the clutch cover off since installation.

 

[Motosportz]

Zoom out for a moment - if Rekluse had a clutch that worked in another bike and they could open a new market with zero investment...don't you think they would be selling it?

I was a huge Rekluse seller back 10 years ago. I have seen many times when stuff would cross over with little work involved and them not be interested for a small manufacturer like husky. It is what it is. Was not worth it to them to spec the parts from various kits, repackage them, and relist them when they could not keep up with manufacturing KTM ones. They stick with their bread and butter even though obscure kits where there to be had with mix and matching parts.

 

[4stroker]

There is another option - you might try Gary at EFM. He sort of force fits application on many different platforms. There are some downsides, however, as I do not believe he makes any auto clutches that retain any clutch or clutch override. The design is very similar to the older Rekluse Z-Start. I do know that for almost all applications, you have to send the basket to him for modifications.

I have owned both an EFM and Rekluse and there is no comparison. The Rekluse (even old models) outperformed the EFM hands down. The new EXP designs are a darn work of engineering art.


All that being said, his price is in the neighborhood of $500-600 USD. it is worth checking into. He may have made significant advances over the past few years, but doesn't do much in the way of advertising etc.. I took mine off after about half a season. After having to replace the clutch pack twice. I sold it on Ebay and switched to a Rekluse and never looked back. An old Z-start in a KTM 400 is on year 8 or 9 with the original clutch pack and has never had the clutch cover off since installation.

I don't like the Z-Start sistem, is confortable and perfect for trail but not for racing. I need the clutch feel and the possibility of push-start the bike, because when is engine is very hot and the bike overturns in a hill climb, push-start is the fastest method to start.

 

[bigmo]

I don't like the Z-Start sistem, is confortable and perfect for trail but not for racing. I need the clutch feel and the possibility of push-start the bike, because when is engine is very hot and the bike overturns in a hill climb, push-start is the fastest method to start.

Am I crazy? I could have sworn the TC 250s I have ridden all had juice clutches??? I could be totally wrong as my brain seems to be failing me on a constant basis as of late...

All the juice clutched based Rekluses I have had (even EXP) you had to back the throwout adjuster all the way and it USUALLY takes enough pressure off the springs to allow the pack to hook up and bump. There would be no way to do this on the fly. This was a "get me back to my trailer" thing. If you have a juice clutch, I don't see how you are going to have any "normal" bumping capability.

I had an EXP on my CRF250X and it had the cable clutch. That system worked amazingly well as I could knock 12-13 ticks off on the perch adjuster and it allowed the pack to turn the motor over. If the pace was slow, I could get the perch adjuster back to normal without stopping. That being said, every time I tried that I was forced to stop and assess if I got the adjuster in the right spot. Just one or two "ticks" off and the engagement was way off.

 

[4stroker]

What's the problem with hidraulic clutch? Z-Start does no have springs but EXP have stiff springs than OEM.
I never ride a juice clutch with Rekluse.

 

[bigmo]

What's the problem with hidraulic clutch? Z-Start does no have springs but EXP have stiff springs than OEM.
I never ride a juice clutch with Rekluse.

The two designs are very different. The clutch springs are your return mechanism on a standard cable clutch. Not so with the juice clutch. There has to be a subtle return pressure delivered to the hydro clutch. I do not know for sure, but I suspect that the wave spring (I believe that is the term) is the pressure counter to the hydraulic neutral.

That being said, if you had everything sorted out with the clutch itself - all you need then is the slave setup from one of the Rekluse models built for another model husky. There will be some experimenting with the throwout rod - and Rekluse always uses that ball (not sure of the engineering with the throwout rod ball).

This sort of goes back to my original comment - you have quite a few parts to buy that are not returnable. You could be making a $500+ investment into something that doesn't work.

 

[4stroker]

Ok, this is very important because this bike need clutch more than fuel...

 

[hammer]

When I phoned Rekluse to tell them that their clutch for my 09 txc 450 worked in my 630, they told my to mind my own business. Just thought you would like to know I said.
Point is there are lots of things that can work from bike to bike. I use Husky wheels on my Beta and a CRF rear sprocket fits my Beta rear wheel. Never know what will work until you try.

 

[reveille]

Haha. After installing a core EXP 3.0 on my 2012 TE310, I called Rekluse to let them know the lock washer they supply in the kit was the wrong size and they couldn't have cared less. I even sent them a picture showing the issue and again not even a blink...

 

[Motosportz]

Rekluse has become big and don't care at all about the "odd" bikes and do the very main stream ones. Good biz for them so it is what it is. I think there are a lot of models they don't cover but could. Try it out, good chance you can make it work.