computer keys

[Abby]

so my brother found this parts listing thing, so that's pretty killer evidence that its got a computer in it.

 

[RidingDonkeys]

Abby, you are correct. It appears in all three manuals, the owner's, workshop, and parts manual. The workshop manual even has it in the troubleshooting steps. We've even had a TR650 owner manage to kill his bike because cheap LED lights set off the EWS system.

 

[socalrob]

Abby, you are correct. It appears in all three manuals, the owner's, workshop, and parts manual. The workshop manual even has it in the troubleshooting steps. We've even had a TR650 owner manage to kill his bike because cheap LED lights set off the EWS system.

Another reason to keep the lights off the handlebars. Where did said owner have them mounted?

 

[nev..]

Another reason to keep the lights off the handlebars. Where did said owner have them mounted?

Weren't the proximity of those lights only problematic if the bike was started while the LED driving lights were switched on?

 

[Abby]

so has anybody tried to, like, put a computer key in their pocket and tried to start the bike up with a non-computer key?
I don't have a non-computer key to try it with, or i'd do it myself.

I finally got things1&2 to leave my bike alone for the day. rode over to have lunch with a friend in hanalei, like 50 miles from our house. totally badass. it was super killer to ride up and pull into a parking spot.
meanwhile i'm freaked the hell out that i'm gonna drop it. totally played it off though some haole said that he had a klr and wanted to look at the terra. so that was cool....

OK, so there's a high surf warning. kickass. going to meet some other girls and see what we can get in th emorning.

 

[RidingDonkeys]

Weren't the proximity of those lights only problematic if the bike was started while the LED driving lights were switched on?

I think TrapperJ was the one with the light issue. An RFID system SHOULD shut down if the key is separated from the range of the reader. For instance, if you had a non-RFID key, and placed it in your ignition, it would not start the bike. However, if you had your RFID key close to the RFID reader (ignition ring) it would work. Then pull the RFID key away from the bike, and it SHOULD eventually cut off once the key gets out of range of the reader. Key point is the word SHOULD. Some cheaper systems are setup to only have to read the code once to engage the ignition; however, most good systems require constant contact.

That said, if the lights were powered off when the bike was started, then turned on, it would kill the engine. Also, you have to look at how your lights are wired too. Depending on your placement of the ballast, switch, and even the insulation thickness of the wiring, you can cause interruptions even when the lights are switched off.

 

[HuskyDude]

so has anybody tried to, like, put a computer key in their pocket and tried to start the bike up with a non-computer key?

Yes as Nev has stated in post #12 even with the non-chipped key in the ignition the bike will not start unless the chipped key is very close approx 1" to the ignition.

 

[mag00]

Does the transponder send a yes/no signal or it it something else? Can the transponder be bypassed?

...like the kickstand switch

 

[TE250Guy]

Yes as Nev has stated in post #12 even with the non-chipped key in the ignition the bike will not start unless the chipped key is very close approx 1" to the ignition.

+1.
Also, once you start the bike with the non-chipped key and a chipped key in close proximity, the bike will keep running when you take the chipped key away. You will need the chipped key again to restart. I think not any chipped key will work but must be the chipped key that is associated with your VIN. I have read this only, but not verified.

There is some sort of handshake going on between the key and the bike computer. I am not sure what it is or how it works, but there may be some risks associated with using someone else's spare key and a blank key that he has not used yet to pair with his bike. If it works on yours (doubtful), it may not work on the other bike. His key may be associated with your bike only! That said, I think the most likely outcome is that your buddy's key adjacent to your blank will not work.

Getting a new key is not a quick process like going to a locksmith and waiting while he cuts you a chipped key. The dealer must go back to Italy to, at the very least, get a blank. Maybe, probably not, to get a working key associated with your VIN. BMW motorcycle as well as BMW auto dealers reportedly can program the key, though I am not sure if they can GET the chipped blank. The whole idea is to make the process tightly controlled to thwart theft. Not sure if it is the insurance companies, the government, or the manufacturer who is the driving force to this. My KLR 650 had a plain key.

So how am I so familiar with this? I bought my bike back in March, but somehow there was no spare key. I still do not have a replacement key (now June)! This is not good since it may be necessary to have a working key to make a spare! It is not the dealer's fault. My dealer is probably the premiere dealer in the US and he is tenaciously going through the process. I don't know and have not heard of ANYONE successfully getting a key made, but there must be someone out there. Anyone?

 

[rww]

The RFID chiped keys are bike specific and I am told that they are set up at the factory for your bike. I have had one on order since March.

 

[RidingDonkeys]

Does the transponder send a yes/no signal or it it something else? Can the transponder be bypassed?

...like the kickstand switch

Yes, where there is a will, there is a way. Since Husky would probably never provide us with the detailed wiring diagrams needed, it would take some serious experimentation. I would say that the sensor ring itself would have to be removed, and the wiring going to the EWS system would have to be changed to mimic the signal it needs to disengage the immobiliser. It could be done, but probably not worth the hassle.

Of course, you could just reprogram the immobiliser, but I have no clue how. I do electronics, not firmware coding. I hate coding with a passion.

 

[rww]

On my Duc I found a guy who could reprogram the ecu so I had him turn the damn immobiliser off........On my 3RD antenna ring...pain in the butt

 

[TE250Guy]

On my Duc I found a guy who could reprogram the ecu so I had him turn the damn immobiliser off........On my 3RD antenna ring...pain in the butt

Is this a way the new KTM owner could rid themselves of the dependence on BMW in this area? He reportedly has an intense dislike of the BMW computer system. Just reprogram or replace the ecu and related parts on new and existing TR 650's?

 

[nev..]

Getting a new key is not a quick process like going to a locksmith and waiting while he cuts you a chipped key. The dealer must go back to Italy to, at the very least, get a blank. Maybe, probably not, to get a working key associated with your VIN. BMW motorcycle as well as BMW auto dealers reportedly can program the key

My understanding is that in order for a new key to be associated with the VIN, the bike needs to be connected to MOSS (I guess any BMW dealer could do that) to update the list of authorised keys stored in the ECU. I know when the ECU in my Terra was replaced, I had to give the dealer both of my keys to get them both associated with the VIN. The replacement ECU was programmed with the bike VIN at the Husqvarna factory.

 

[rww]

I had to supply all the bike numbers and dealer info to verify I was the owner as well as the registration info from the state

 

[socalrob]

My understanding is that in order for a new key to be associated with the VIN, the bike needs to be connected to MOSS (I guess any BMW dealer could do that) to update the list of authorised keys stored in the ECU. I know when the ECU in my Terra was replaced, I had to give the dealer both of my keys to get them both associated with the VIN. The replacement ECU was programmed with the bike VIN at the Husqvarna factory.

Not the way it works for BMW bike keys. With BMW you give your dealer a copy of your DL & pink slip & registration, and then the dealer will order a key (or more). Takes 3 - 5 days or so to get a key back that is already cut and paired to your bike, which the dealer may never have seen. I just ordered 3 keys for my BMW as I just lost my last one. Bike was parked at my office for a week.

Anyway, the ECU in the BMW bike is preprogrammed with 10 keys from the factory. Lose all ten keys and you are SOL.

 

[Caiman]

If you lose 10 keys I think you have bigger issues than not being able to get more lol