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Clutch feathering over small jumps.

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Is there anyone out there who can possibility give me a few tips on jumping a bike and using the clutch to get another bike length in distance by using the clutch?

Without going too deep into this, what is happening is I'm getting in certain cases due to different aspects on the small outdoor track and I'm needing to go over a small jump and clear maybe 15'
... This could probably accomplished with just more speed sometimes but not always ... We're not talking ama PRO rider stuff here ...It's just me on a 010 TC250 ..

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Break down 1:
I'm on the pegs and my front tire is about to touch the bottom of a small jump with a small receiver ... Is there a specific spot on the track when I should feather&pop clutch to get a another bike length in distance cleared?

Is it be better to do the feathering before the tire touches the takeoff ramp or maybe wait until (maybe) the front tire was just clearing the lip?

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I've just been winging all this stuff but is any specific technique used here?
 
Camstyn said:
Have you tried seat bouncing? Clutch feathering should take place exiting the corner prior to the jump. What gear are you in, maybe just try a gear lower and let it rev. Generally speaking, feathering the clutch shouldn't really be neccesary on a 4-stroke.
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Not up to seating bouncing yet for jumping of any size ... Pulling the front tire off the ground, yes, seating bouncing works well ...

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Second gear approach and the answer I'm looking for is there a specific location on the takeoff ramp when the clutch should be applied or do I just wing it the best I can going over the jump ..

And yes, more speed \ feathering the clutch coming out of a corner is known but not what I'm looking for ...

Part of the issue is traction ... I can't just grab a hand full of throttle like RV2 and triple out ..I'm on the bike, not RV2 ... Its a short run up to the jump, I don't always hit the run up correctly and will end up just praying the bike gets traction (and enough speed) as I go up the ramp and over the short jump ... Coming up short is not gonna hurt much except time ...I just need 1.5 more bike length and its in the clutch and I'm just asking if matters where my front tire is at on the takeoff ramp when I turn the boost with my left hand.

As I said, I'm not looking for speed as the answer here for more distance ... And my 010 TC250 is not screaming at 12Gs ... I'm on the bike, not RD5 ... I'm looking for some 250 grunt and I know the clutch can help me here ... Maybe a hold over from my 2t days but I ride for fun 1st and a clutch is fun to me ...
 
Ray Ray are you comfortable with preloading the suspension on the face of the jump? If so this should help you clear the small jumps. As Camstyn mentioned above, seat bouncing is effective. You can also preload the suspension by pushing down on the pegs starting at the base of the jump an up the face of it while applying throttle. As you get to the lip of the jump you should be finished with your preloading and the suspension should rebounding giving you enough arc to clear the jump. I hope this helps.
 
PBM457 said:
Ray Ray are you comfortable with preloading the suspension on the face of the jump? If so this should help you clear the small jumps. As Camstyn mentioned above, seat bouncing is effective. You can also preload the suspension by pushing down on the pegs starting at the base of the jump an up the face of it while applying throttle. As you get to the lip of the jump you should be finished with your preloading and the suspension should rebounding giving you enough arc to clear the jump. I hope this helps.
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Yep, I can do this, in fact I had to break my self from loading the suspension on almost every jump lip I went over ... I just bounced the bike up in the air way to often and too high ... And I can loadup on these jumps from time to time correctly but on approach coming out of a corner with a short-runup, I'm still having issues having equal weight on the pegs at the critical moments just before take off so this technique is a little risky without equal balance ... The bike does a small, self-imposed rear end kick-out that can toss me off my line when I touch down a little too much sideways ...( I'm guessing the pegs are weighted differently, not 100% sure really ... Its all happening so quickly in my mind, its hard to keep it all under control as it is happening in real time ..)


PBM457 said:
The base of the jump start feathering the clutch up the face until you reach the lip.
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So just feather up to the point the front tire clears the lip then reduce the feathering and feed the bike more clutch as the front tire is going airborn? I did this pretty much once today and the it went well ... This was releasing the clutch very late over the jump I thought but work well ... Never waited that long before to feed the clutch and suddenly I realized I was clueless on what technique to really use ... The rear tire retained traction and I got just a small boost in distance without pushing the ground speed up ...
 
I'm not going to discount anything said here. However: truth is to ask us any of us about advanced skill level techniques may or may not be a good move. I recommend spending a couple of bucks and getting instructional viddys or buy into online training from your choice of top tier MX Pros, my first biased choice Ryno Hughes videos (because weve done biz with him so Im biased). But looks like many top tier pros have video lessons available.
http://rynoinstitute.com/


Ive also met with (he is super nice easy going and patient with the kids) and stood in to watch Seb Tortelli work with my friends son, he is really really good and has 2 MXGP world championships and AMA SX/MX seat time to show for it.

http://www.champfactory.com/

Sebastien has that EU/ French style of step by step, bring them up carefully technique that breeds and has bred guys like him, Bayle, Pichon, Vuillemin, Pourcel, Vimond, Bolley, Musquin, DeMaria, Roncada.

They both have virtual training programs as well. In this way you can watch stuff over and and over as well as your local race team guys to get and practice riding tips from guys who really know how to ride and win at the highest level.
 
Sounds like good advice but at my age(55)... Not much is gonna change for me in the way of riding tracks ... It is fun though trying to make a complete lap without screwing up too much and even crashing or stalling .... I'm really just trying to make a dollar out of 50 cents here ...

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That over-and-and-over method mentioned below is about the only thing that works for me now :)

robertaccio said:
I'm not going to discount anything said here. However: truth is to ask us any of us about advanced skill level techniques may or may not be a good move. I recommend spending a couple of bucks and getting instructional viddys or buy into online training from your choice of top tier MX Pros, my first biased choice Ryno Hughes videos (because weve done biz with him so Im biased). But looks like many top tier pros have video lessons available.
http://rynoinstitute.com/


Ive also met with (he is super nice easy going and patient with the kids) and stood in to watch Seb Tortelli work with my friends son, he is really really good and has 2 MXGP world championships and AMA SX/MX seat time to show for it.

http://www.champfactory.com/

Sebastien has that EU/ French style of step by step, bring them up carefully technique that breeds and has bred guys like him, Bayle, Pichon, Vuillemin, Pourcel, Vimond, Bolley, Musquin, DeMaria, Roncada.

They both have virtual training programs as well. In this way you can watch stuff over and and over as well as your local race team guys to get and practice riding tips from guys who really know how to ride and win at the highest level.
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I try to learn a lot of these and similar techniques on how to trials videos, then I translate the same skill with some speed added for enduro and MX obstacles.

Ryan young has some good videos

I'd much rather learn a new skill at slow trials speed first, my old man body don't take kindly to high speed crashes.
 
lankydoug said:
I try to learn a lot of these and similar techniques on how to trials videos, then I translate the same skill with some speed added for enduro and MX obstacles.

Ryan young has some good videos

I'd much rather learn a new skill at slow trials speed first, my old man body don't take kindly to high speed crashes.
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This is pretty slow and safe for a crash riding in most cases as long as I'm not jumped on ... I'll take all this jumping stuff back out on the trails when I get there :)

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I'm usually just reading the web for info ... I gotta ride tomorrow and maybe I can get there early enough to try some of this out before it gets crowded ...
 
Im not understanding, are you not getting a good drive off the apex of the corner?
Best advise is of course braking before apex. when on the gas keep rollin in on. Is there something your trying to anticipate after the jump? seat bounce gets the front end light but it sounds like your afraid to clear the jump.
 
lankydoug said:
Using this technique on a jump face will get you more air if you stay on the gas.
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I gotta say that since I was young till now, the trails riders have advanced their skill sets more any riders IMHO ...

Loading that suspension works well but that second loading of the forks is not possible going up a jump face ... When going up a jump face, I just bounce off the pegs to load the suspension and this really needs to be an equal loading on each peg or you'll get some funky airtime and landing ...

That mini rhythm-section to the left in the pic is another place I might loose speed and not clear all the tabletops before hitting the next jump ...My camera was bad that day so limited pics and I left my helmet cam at home :(

Feathering that clutch going up the jump face definitely works to get more distance ... Its an ~aggressive move and you can get as much distance as you want depending on the throttle action here also ... I was pretty conservative as I'm not a fan of my rear tire spinning crazily as it leaves the lip of most any jump ... Its a cool move when you can get the bike to launch out there farther than expected ...

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Right ... no drive out of the corner or whatever has killed my speed and I'm just trying to get over a jump with with I have left and use this 4t power and attempt to jump another bike length or two till I'm back up to speed again ... There are other things to jump over upcoming but as stated above , I'm not too worried as this dirt looks like a ~safe place to crash and the speed is low ...

pentonpro said:
Im not understanding, are you not getting a good drive off the apex of the corner?
Best advise is of course braking before apex. when on the gas keep rollin in on. Is there something your trying to anticipate after the jump? seat bounce gets the front end light but it sounds like your afraid to clear the jump.
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You don't have a tabletop to learn on? I wouldn't even consider learning without that lol. I don't really have any advice but good luck. Always fun to improve skills. I've been thinking of going to an mx track alot lately. There's a lot to gain that can help in the trails
 
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