250-500cc '92 WXC 360 Replacement ignition advice

[Dauer]

I put a replacement unit into my 1993 WR- i got it direct from www.hpi.be which i belive is selling these units to electrex world.
i bought the whole system- including stator, magneto, cdi and coil.
The bike runs fine- starting is a pleasure- its just running as it should be!
I paid 230€ which i feel is a bargain!

Thanks for the that. I came across HPI a couple weeks back and it seemed they didn't have ant applications suitable for my bike or a '93 for that matter, clearly that is not the case, hopefully they can provide me with an ignition. I've emailed both HVA and HPI, I will await their response and go from there. Keep you all posted.

 

[Miezie666]

Thanks for the that. I came across HPI a couple weeks back and it seemed they didn't have ant applications suitable for my bike or a '93 for that matter, clearly that is not the case, hopefully they can provide me with an ignition. I've emailed both HVA and HPI, I will await their response and go from there. Keep you all posted.

they even didn t had one for my bike ready- so i contacted them, sent my ignition unit to them to get it measured up and a few weeks later i had my bike back running.

 

[Dauer]

I emailed both HVA and HPI. HPI has yet to respond and Andy from HVA responded and said the best he could do was refer me to Peter at electrex world. Which I did, fingers crossed that dropping Andy's name compels him to respond.

 

[2premo]

looking at the site on your post
i see no application for the 360 except a coil
which system or unit did you get?

 

[Dauer]

I received a response from HPI and it seems it may take some back and forth to determine whether they can help me. Keep you posted.

 

[Dauer]

I got in touch with Vance Smith (motoplat guy) and he has a like new stator and coil that will work or I can send out mine and he'll rebuild it. I mentioned the flywheel magnet issue and he said the power dynamo flywheel has issues, I was speaking of the stock flywheel but perhaps he misunderstood. Can anyone elaborate further on the flywheel magnets, is that a risky proposition to use my stock flywheel? Also, is it correct that there is no cdi with my ignition, just an HT coil?

 

[Miezie666]

there should be a CDI between your radiators just above/in front of the cylinder head.

 

[Dauer]

there should be a CDI between your radiators just above/in front of the cylinder head.

Thanks, that's what I was curious about. Thought to myself: "if there is no CDI then what is that thing?"
I thought Vance from motoplat repair was going to be the answer, unfortunately after the less than professional, unprovoked and rude email I received from him that doesn't look to be the case. I was taken aback by it, we were having a normal email exchange, I was inquiring about services, prices, and turn around time. Apparently those types of questions are out of line to him. Disappointing to say the least, maybe he's got a case of the Mondays (anyone see office space?) but I digress, rant over. Thanks to you guys for all your advice and knowledge. The search continues...

 

[2premo]

Thanks, that's what I was curious about. Thought to myself: "if there is no CDI then what is that thing?"
I thought Vance from motoplat repair was going to be the answer, unfortunately after the less than professional, unprovoked and rude email I received from him that doesn't look to be the case. I was taken aback by it, we were having a normal email exchange, I was inquiring about services, prices, and turn around time. Apparently those types of questions are out of line to him. Disappointing to say the least, maybe he's got a case of the Mondays (anyone see office space?) but I digress, rant over. Thanks to you guys for all your advice and knowledge. The search continues...

i got the same unprofessional response myself one time
you would have thought i questioned his mothers integrity
there are many here that feel he is the answer, in that case what is the question

back to the subject, i had a PVL on my 92, no issues, i did not have lights but was told it would not support them if i wanted them
the bike started easy and ran well, started easier than my 93, as in 1 kick regularly

 

[Dauer]

i got the same unprofessional response myself one time
you would have thought i questioned his mothers integrity
there are many here that feel he is the answer, in that case what is the question

back to the subject, i had a PVL on my 92, no issues, i did not have lights but was told it would not support them if i wanted them
the bike started easy and ran well, started easier than my 93, as in 1 kick regularly

Good to know I'm not the only one, not that I revel in other people's misfortune. It was quite bizarre and came out of nowhere. I responded very civilly and expressed my confusion. He then responded with a price for a rebuild and turn around time which is what I initially inquired about, was that so difficult? Of course there was no mention of his misdirected and odd previous statement. None the less I now have to decide whether I want to give him the business and save some $ on a rebuild, thus compromising my integrity, which is minimal to begin with or continue searching. Obviously that's a decision only I can make.

That's good info to know regarding the PVL, if it weren't for the lack of a lighting coil it'd be a no-brainer at this point because it'd surely save me some aggravation. Also seeing as I'm going to be predominantly riding tight woods I'd like an enduro flywheel. Am I able to use my flywheel with the PVL? I've heard some peoe refer to the PVL as a CR ignition which would lead me to believe it uses lighter flywheel, am I correct or hopelessly misguided?

 

[DTX915]

I have had PVL in a KLX 125 for about 10 years,no problems. If I pull the points out of my TT500 it will get one as well.

My PVL was a complete unit with a new inner rotar and pick up, that's 7lbs off the crank. Also a coil and spark plug lead with cap. The black box got tossed.

This unit also gets me 3000 rpm more than stock ,that's HP as the stock unit fell off much sooner. What I don't get is a rev limiter it will go until it blows and has.

This is also fixed with no advanced,set at 30deg BTDC and forget it. That makes this bike a bump start only as it will fire on the way up spin backwards and clean off the intake valve that's still open. That's happened twice so far.

I know they make more than one style so read and understand what's what.

http://www.pentonracingproducts.com/pvl-ignitions.shtml

 

[2premo]

Good to know I'm not the only one, not that I revel in other people's misfortune. It was quite bizarre and came out of nowhere. I responded very civilly and expressed my confusion. He then responded with a price for a rebuild and turn around time which is what I initially inquired about, was that so difficult? Of course there was no mention of his misdirected and odd previous statement. None the less I now have to decide whether I want to give him the business and save some $ on a rebuild, thus compromising my integrity, which is minimal to begin with or continue searching. Obviously that's a decision only I can make.

That's good info to know regarding the PVL, if it weren't for the lack of a lighting coil it'd be a no-brainer at this point because it'd surely save me some aggravation. Also seeing as I'm going to be predominantly riding tight woods I'd like an enduro flywheel. Am I able to use my flywheel with the PVL? I've heard some peoe refer to the PVL as a CR ignition which would lead me to believe it uses lighter flywheel, am I correct or hopelessly misguided?

sold the 92 a number of years back, but if memory serves me it had an internal rotor
the idea of calling it a CR has to do with early stuff being the outer rotor IE Motoplat Mini 6 was external rotor and mainly used on XC and WR types
the inner rotor stuff was only on the CR as it had no light capacity
CR as in motocross you would not think about lugging over a log or rock so the reason for concern is flywheel inertia
if you ride above 1000 RPM you are fine below that you take a chance on stalling
two repairs add flywheel weights or a Rekluse clutch

 

[Dauer]

sold the 92 a number of years back, but if memory serves me it had an internal rotor
the idea of calling it a CR has to do with early stuff being the outer rotor IE Motoplat Mini 6 was external rotor and mainly used on XC and WR types
the inner rotor stuff was only on the CR as it had no light capacity
CR as in motocross you would not think about lugging over a log or rock so the reason for concern is flywheel inertia
if you ride above 1000 RPM you are fine below that you take a chance on stalling
two repairs add flywheel weights or a Rekluse clutch

Ok, that's very helpful info, thanks for that. The flywheel will probably be pulled off by tomorrow so I can measure the taper and send some pics to Willy from HPI (much rather give him my business). One more question (at least for tonight ) being as my ignition is a "mini 4", does it even have a lighting coil, I was under the impression that it did?

 

[Dauer]

I have had PVL in a KLX 125 for about 10 years,no problems. If I pull the points out of my TT500 it will get one as well.

My PVL was a complete unit with a new inner rotar and pick up, that's 7lbs off the crank. Also a coil and spark plug lead with cap. The black box got tossed.

This unit also gets me 3000 rpm more than stock ,that's HP as the stock unit fell off much sooner. What I don't get is a rev limiter it will go until it blows and has.

This is also fixed with no advanced,set at 30deg BTDC and forget it. That makes this bike a bump start only as it will fire on the way up spin backwards and clean off the intake valve that's still open. That's happened twice so far.

I know they make more than one style so read and understand what's what.

http://www.pentonracingproducts.com/pvl-ignitions.shtml

Also, very helpful, thank you. As I've said before the wealth of knowledge on this sight is indispensable. So, you can't kick start your bike with the PVL?

 

[rancher1]

Ok, that's very helpful info, thanks for that. The flywheel will probably be pulled off by tomorrow so I can measure the taper and send some pics to Willy from HPI (much rather give him my business). One more question (at least for tonight ) being as my ignition is a "mini 4", does it even have a lighting coil, I was under the impression that it did?

Yes you have a lighting coil.

 

[Miezie666]

My Friends TE610 did not start very well, one day it refused to start, again we gave HPI a call, after a week we recieved a replacement stator- since then- the bike starts better than we ever expectetd it to do.
I would ever recommend to use this system- even if the tournaround time will be higher in the first place- once its running you will know your money is been well spent!

 

[DTX915]

With the fixed timing and 13-1 compression and power roll cam it'll will fire on the way up push the piston around backwards and clip the intake valve on the way by OR break the teeth off the kick start gears.
This bike has no black box so its always full advance.
Some PVL ignition's have advance some don't, check to see what your going to get and what its going to do.

 

[Dauer]

Yes you have a lighting coil.

Ok, that's the way I understood it. Thanks.

My Friends TE610 did not start very well, one day it refused to start, again we gave HPI a call, after a week we recieved a replacement stator- since then- the bike starts better than we ever expectetd it to do.
I would ever recommend to use this system- even if the tournaround time will be higher in the first place- once its running you will know your money is been well spent!

I'd be happy to give HPI my business, aside from the distance and time equation I see no reason not to. Willy has been helpful and responsive.

With the fixed timing and 13-1 compression and power roll cam it'll will fire on the way up push the piston around backwards and clip the intake valve on the way by OR break the teeth off the kick start gears.
This bike has no black box so its always full advance.
Some PVL ignition's have advance some don't, check to see what your going to get and what its going to do.

Woah, that sounds exciting. I'm definitely going to look further into this before I consider PVL. Guess I'll give penton a call. Thanks.

 

[DTX915]

When the triggered cracked on my 2013 wr125 I looked into PVL as a replacement.
As the stock unit is fixed they would be the same. What I didn't check was if it would work with the stock components like the coil or black box. I never got that far, Husky finally made good on it.

 

[Dauer]

Just spoke with my mechanic (I leave the electrical stuff to the professionals because clearly I'm not qualified), he finally got around to taking a look at my ignition and he said it's an external rotor design. After doing a little more research on HPI.com it appears as if this: http://www.hpi.be/item.php?item=210K280 will work seeing as my ignition is the same as a 250 of the same vintage. I emailed HPI and am waiting to hear back but wanted to run it by you guys as well. Any thoughts?