630, now what's next?

[ryboj]

Guys, just got into street this past July/Aug, with over two decades of dirt riding. The 630 was my entry into the street deal and has been a blast, in the short time I've experienced it. It's a great little package, as you all have experienced.

Unfortunately, the way these things go, I now have a serious craving for a lot more bike.

My eyes are on the leftover 2010 Aprilia Tuono Rs, 2012 Triumph Street Triple R, or potentially the upcoming MV Brutale 675. I'm not sure I can hold out much longer....

However, I'm somewhat interested in knowing what potential is still left in the 630 before letting her go, should that be the case. Maybe she has something still pent up in her??

I have the default stuff everyone has, power up, LV slip ons, intake restrictor removed, incl a custom tune from my local dealer, but have left gearing alone, since I need the higher speed cruising, etc, while still maintaining my mileage when on all day rides. I've noticed this bike just doesn't like to breathe up top. It revs out quick and could use honestly another 10-15hp on top of what it has currently.

With that said, has there been any discussion or interest in anyone modding this thing out any further? i.e. custom cams, intake, head work, etc? I would love to know what these things could do to this bike. I wouldn't mind putting some money in to find out, so was curious if anyone has taken this route or is currently looking into it?

Maybe George could come up with some cams? Who could pull off the porting? Custom tune should be no issue.

Any ideas guys of what could be an affordable reality to getting more out of the 630?

Ry-

 

[jtemple]

I honestly don't know. I have the usual stuff on mine, exhaust system, power-up, opened airbox, JD Jetting box, 14T front sprocket. My bike has plenty of power. I got this bike after spending several years on 160ish HP 1000cc sportbikes, and I'm still happy with the output of the 630.

 

[ryboj]

Thanks jtemple for the honest feedback. I guess I like to be a little more scared on demand, and it's not doing it for me....as it sits now. I realize gearing can help, but I'm not yet ready to sacrifice the cruiseability factor yet. Hmm

 

[Russ]

No matter what mods you do to the 630 it will never give you the outright power & high speed acceleration thrill of the bigger, multi cylinder bikes you mention (all of which are great bikes, the Triumph being my pick). It's a different class of bike altogether and for it's intended use a terrific one. I have the TE, and it's an exceptional dirt road & fire trail weapon, all the power you need in that environment, but it can't match a road bike on the road nor an enduro bike in the tougher dirt stuff.

You don't mention whether you have a TE or SM, but I assume the latter. Personally I don't understand these bikes for the street, as they are essentially a dirt bike "roadified" and for anything other than narrow focussed twisty road racing or city riding they are underpowered and uncomfortable compared with proper street bikes.

Regards,
Russ

 

[ryboj]

Russ, you're quite right, and hear you loud and clear. And yes, SM is what it is, always forget this site doesn't have the signature.... Going to or getting a bike like the ones mentioned with help solve some of the wind deflection (proper windscreen/shield mods), along with outright acceleration and speed, yes. I feel like the SM when ridden on the open road/freeway, etc, just isn't up its alley naturally, but in the twisties or more two lane road stuff, the SM really shines, it just doesn't have that SVX 550 (speaking to engine performance here) kinda thing going on, that wow factor....... maybe I'm a little too greedy or asking more of it then what's reasonable within the current platform, not sure, but wanted to throw it out there. I mean, it's still an engine, so there should be some potential still waiting to be unlocked given the right mods are done.

 

[Russ]

maybe I'm a little too greedy or asking more of it then what's reasonable within the current platform, not sure, but wanted to throw it out there. I mean, it's still an engine, so there should be some potential still waiting to be unlocked given the right mods are done.

No, not too greedy at all. If I wanted a road bike and could only have one there's no way I would choose an SM. I'd want something with a lot more power & comfort that would still be fun in the twisties, like the ones you're considering.

Re engine mods, I'm not sure there's a real lot more to be squeezed out of it once you've done the common mods discussed on this site. I note one of the members, Yoshi I think, raced his SM for a while but sold it eventually because the bike wasn't doing it for him either.

Look, it's basically a big dirt bike, and for my off road usage it's perfect and the most fun I've had on a bike. But as a road bike? Nah, not for me.

Regards,
Russ

 

[jtemple]

A 14T front sprocket is a nice middle ground for power, torque and cruising. I wouldn't want to spend a day going 70+ geared like this, but 60 and below is a good time.

Of all the mods I've done, I say the 14T front sprocket did the most as far as giving me the "wow" factor. I suck at wheelies, probably more than most people suck at wheelies, and all I need is a handful of throttle in 1st & 2nd gear to lift the front wheel. I don't have the skills for 3rd yet, but I'm sure it's doable.

It also pulls much harder at highway speeds when you roll on the throttle (say, for passing cars) when geared down.

A front sprocket is cheap enough. I say give it a try and see if it changes your mind.

 

[organ donor]

Some of those posts made me smile. There´s not a cafe racer that can keep up with my 630 SM in any urban traffic situation. I can corner much faster, weave through traffic and only lose out on long, straight stretches. Am sure the only faster bike could be a 400cc SM with all the mods done to it. Beemers, Triumphs and Nippon wonder bikes hardly ever dare take me on. `Tis getting boring. I didn´t buy it for the autobahn. Longer trips on straight roads bore me. Gimme the twisty bits and then tell me about touring road bikes. I wouldn´t be seen dead on a Goldwing or a Harley, a Buel or anything Asian.

 

[ryboj]

jtemple, I will slap that in and let you know. Bike is 400 miles north of me right now, but should see it in a few weeks. Will see how much wow factor I can gain from this. Problem is, I do spend a lot of 65+mph time, so i'll be revving out further than desired, but maybe this can buy me a little time before I splurge on a more beefed up bike. Russ, I know what you mean when you say one bike....now, if I could have two, which maybe I can pull off, then this one I do like, but then I'll want something to fill in the voids. Organ, I know what you mean, in the city, it carves and rips around nice, even in the hills, but when the straights open up in between curves and or in between areas, the 630 doesn't cut it for me, as I do all day rides.

 

[Muddy Waters]

Unfortunately, the way these things go, I now have a serious craving for a lot more bike.

My eyes are on the leftover 2010 Aprilia Tuono Rs, 2012 Triumph Street Triple R, or potentially the upcoming MV Brutale 675. I'm not sure I can hold out much longer....

Ry-

I have to say that I've just finished reading the Cycleworld test of the 2012 Aprilia Tuono and it gave me an enormous chubby
The 600cc supermotos are definitely not fun on all roads...but on the right roads...oh, the right roads...man...it's like making love to someone who really knows what they're doing...you know?

 

[jtemple]

Before you go sprocket shopping, do you have the TE or the SM? You say it's your intro to street riding, so I assume it's the SM. In that case, your OEM front sprocket is a different size. What you want is 1 tooth smaller than OEM. That is the easiest to swap out, and won't require a change in chain length. You may have to tighten your chain up a little when you install it, that's it. It's a 15 minute job if you take your time.

 

[jtemple]

...the 630 doesn't cut it for me, as I do all day rides.

I'm in a similar situation. I love riding my 630, even when spending all day on the road. But, I worry about the sheer amount of mileage I'm racking up on it. I may be getting a street bike next spring (and keeping the 630). Either that, or I'm going to ride the wheels off of this 630, then rebuild it when the time comes.

 

[ryboj]

Muddy, yes, the V4 Tuono that's coming is sick...very sick.

jtemple, yes, it's the SM model. One tooth smaller it is. It's at my buddies house up north, so I'll have him swap it out and give me a ride report. I'll ride it in a week or two, and should know then....

Keep me posted what you end up doing. Would be interesting to see what you think if you do land another set of wheels. I do have love for my 630, just trying to make it just that much better where I can.

 

[bpowa]

i have a 14t and took it on a 400 plus mile trip. with liter bikes and 600cc sport bikes. friends kept it under 80 for me on freeways. the acerage speed is 75. i had no trouble in the turns and actually was faster in corners than half the group. we all do track days with out sport bikes so no one is slow in capability.

what got me to get the 630 was price and test riding my buddies street tripple r. i was faster on goaty roads on a upright bike than my r1.

for the local twisties i ride the husky over the r1. for long road trips and overnighters like hwy 4 near yosemite. is where the r1 shines. the 630 has its purpose. so op you may need to get a second bike or another bike in general. depends on your riding style. i try to do it all even on the pedal bike. heck i have as much fun on down hill mountain bikes as much as supermoto and sport bike. different toys for different needs. get my drift? money goes to the shitter though.

 

[HuskyBrutha]

Read on some forum, cant remember which one, that cleaning up the ports, especially the inlet port, on the cylinder head can yield a few bhp.
Could be costly and you would need to find the right shop to do it.

I have the EHS pre filter on my 630' s. However I am beginning to think that even more aiflow is needed.
I know of one very fast SM610 that has a drilled out airbox that had about 70% more airflow than that provided by the usual 4.5 x 4.5 EHS.
Also the SMR634 Eddy Seel Replica has one seriously airrated air box.

From our experiences here, the more you give this motor, in terms of fuelling and airflow etc, the better it performs.

 

[ryboj]

bpowa, hear you loud and clear. What you say makes a lot of sense, esp the last point. I find the money flows pretty fast with the hobbies I have too. Last downhill bike I had was a Karpiel Disco Volante worked to the hilt (cost as much as my 630 did new, and yes I got a good deal on the 630), but it never saw any true downhilling, just urban activities. Either way, I will get this sorted out. By the way, since you rode the Street Triple R, and obviously have a 630, can you tell me a little bit more what you think of the STR?

HuskyBro: The forum you read this on, this was in terms of this particular engine combo, correct?

Yeah, was looking at some NOX/Eddy Seel Reps last night, and remembered just how much airflow they have with the silo'd out side intake. They are breathers. Damn I love that 570 based engine in general.

What you said about the general gettir' in, gettir' out is always true. Just depends on how much it can process. Maybe an email or call to George @ Uptite might yield me some answers in terms of feasibility or better yet, ability period with this engine setup.

 

[jtemple]

Also interested in hearing about the Street Triple. It's on my short shopping list.

 

[bpowa]

guys if i had to get a 600cc sport bike the str would be it. its short wheel base is great for the twisties. there are tons of low end usable torque down low. it topped out at 140 tucked when i flew by my buddy lol.

its comfortable and it can keep pace with any bike on the streets. the r has radial brakes and works great. if i can afford it. i would. the transmission is smooth as any jap bike.

i had multiple 600cc and liter bikes and i was impressed with the street tripple.

 

[jtemple]

Speed Triple is what I'm after, not the Street Triple.

What's holding me back is service intervals (which I believe are comparable to Japanese street bikes), ability to handle lots of miles, and parts availability in the US. I already have one rare, high maintenance bike. I don't want another. If I didn't care about that stuff, I'd get a Ducati Hypermotard or Monster.

What's at the top if my list is a Honda CB1000R

 

[bpowa]

the speed triple is more of a novelty bike imo. its not as simple as a street tripple. its more in the league of ducati monster or hyper. i steer clear from high maintenance bike as i do women.

my friend has a 08. 1krr. he says the bike handles like a 600. and dynowed at 155whp. in a high elavation. i loke thenew 2012 1krr also. my ultimate mike would be a bmw1krr. however i am happy with my 2 bikes. and thankful for them.

op. i had a drz before. it was a bike i could afford after hitting a deer. i sold it to get another sport bike. i always missed riding a motard. that is what got me on the husky. everything i asked for out of a drz. . if u can. keep the 630. and get another bike. you will miss riding it and eventually get another down the road.