630 hard start and no start!!

[rickcj7]

7/13/12
I just bought a 630 and sometimes its hard to start, thought the battery was low.
I charged the battery and it seems OK, sometimes it will fire right up sometimes it will just crank and crank and eventually start.
Today it was hard to start but after a few trys it started and I then ran it 25 miles, stoped to get gas and then it wouldn't restart. Gave up on it called wife to bring the trailer, 30 minutes later when she arrived I hit the starter and it fired up? Shut it off to get ramps and tiedowns out then it wouldn't start again.
WTF and Ideas? Hard to start on and off the past few weeks.

7/23/12
Called Husqvarna, after discussing the problem, Husky told me to take it to the closest dealer and have it checked out, if it was husky defect warranty would cover it, a 2011 with 450 miles! After calling all local dealers found 1 who could look at in 4-6 weeks.

9/5/12
Dropped bike off at the dealer today, dealer had bike apart at least 2 weeks now. The dealer found something inside was put together wrong had busted and ground the stator up. Metal shavings all thru
the engine now. Not sending the signal to spark and fuel correctly.

9/24/12
I know big bike shows are going on now but WTF, can't return a call!?! Husky apparently
denied warranty, but couldn't even call to let me know. Husky is blaming dealer who
did earlier repairs under warranty.
Still waiting on Husky to step up!!
After calling back a few times got a receptionist who said I was to call a gentleman at
BMW.

10/8/12
Called BMW and after explaining the problem, he thought it was ridiculous that a 2011 would need an engine and Husky would deny warranty.
Now it's in the hands of BMW, wonder if they stand up and make Husky take responsibility.

10/26/12
BMW officially denied warranty. Anthony at BMW says it isn't Huskys fault, it is the dealers fault who worked on it last. He basically just repeated what Husky said.
Husky/BMW/ dealer who has the bike apart all agree its not a manufactuer defect!
I again contacted the oringinal dealer and told him Husky/BMW officially denied the warranty claim and it was back to them to handle. Dealers carry insurance to cover things like this and now hopefully they will step up and submit a claim to get it fixed.
I said if I didn't hear back witin the week I would call again on 11/2/12.

11/15/2012
It's been almost 2 weeks since I sent pics and estimate to the dealer, haven't heard back from them yet,shouldn't take that long to notify the insurance company.
I'll have to call tomorrow and if no progress is made, I'll have to get the court involved.

11/30/12
My deadline is today for the dealer to pay for their screw up, I haven't got a call or email since.
1st thing Mon am I'll be contacting the magistrate to light a fire under MFIs butt.

 

[DYNOBOB]

Mine was hard to start when the idle was set too low. Turned it up and it starts easy.

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[MOTOXNUT]

Hard starting when very cold.

Any of you live in places where it is regulaly very cold ( zero degrees and colder ) If so is there a specific teqnique you use for starting the bike.
I have a 2012 Te630 which takes between 1 1/2 and 2 1/2 munutes to start at this temperature. Bike is only 3 months old and has travelled only 2100 kms. Dealer has fitted a new temperature sender but this did not help much. Dealer has had it for the last 2 weeks and said it started fine for him but that was sitting inside his nice warm shop. Cranks over plenty fast enough and kicks a few times but wont fire up.

Generally fault only occurs for the first start of the day, but that is probably because outside temperature has normally warmed up after that.

Worried that it is going to leave me stranded somewhere or that the battery / starter motor will fail due to excessive use.

Standard exhaust fitted with factory PU resistor in place of o2 sensor

Any help greatly appreciated

 

[organ donor]

It gets cold here in Germany. Have had the 630 for two years and ride throughout the winter months (haven´t got a car). Have never used the small left hand start lever (and haven´t even looked into what it does ... decomp? choke?). Have NEVER had the slightest problem with starting.

 

[jtemple]

I always start mine in neutral with the clutch pulled in. I use the starter lever as well (which really only serves to bump up the idle a little while you start it). I have started mine hot, cold and in all sorts of weather without issue.

Starting it in neutral without pulling the clutch lever will really make it hard to start. There is a lot of clutch drag in this bike.

 

[SilverBullet]

Starting it in neutral without pulling the clutch lever will really make it hard to start. There is a lot of clutch drag in this bike.

I thought we have a clutch interlock switch and bike will not start without pulling in clutch regardless whether in gear or in neutral?

I suggest you try a couple extra fuel pump primes. Turn key on and let fuel pump build pressure, then push kill switch off and on again. Repeat this once or twice and it really seems to help in very cold weather.

I also noticed a difference after changing my oil the first time. Dealer delivered bike with 10w40 and I changed to 20w50, definitely cold cranks noticeably slower with the thicker oil.

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[jtemple]

I thought we have a clutch interlock switch and bike will not start without pulling in clutch regardless whether in gear or in neutral?_

That is correct, my fault. Some people bypass that switch so it is no longer necessary, though.

Starting in neutral with the clutch lever and starter lever pulled is what I do. Anything else makes for some hard starting.

It's even hard to push the cold bike around the garage in gear while pulling the clutch. Throw it in neutral and it rolls all over the place.

 

[DYNOBOB]

Hard starting when very cold.

Any of you live in places where it is regulaly very cold ( zero degrees and colder ) If so is there a specific teqnique you use for starting the bike.
I have a 2012 Te630 which takes between 1 1/2 and 2 1/2 munutes to start at this temperature. Bike is only 3 months old and has travelled only 2100 kms. Dealer has fitted a new temperature sender but this did not help much. Dealer has had it for the last 2 weeks and said it started fine for him but that was sitting inside his nice warm shop. Cranks over plenty fast enough and kicks a few times but wont fire up.

Generally fault only occurs for the first start of the day, but that is probably because outside temperature has normally warmed up after that.

Worried that it is going to leave me stranded somewhere or that the battery / starter motor will fail due to excessive use.

Standard exhaust fitted with factory PU resistor in place of o2 sensor

Any help greatly appreciated

A few simple things... Have you turned up your idle? Try setting it to 1800 when it's warmed up and see if that helps. Try priming the bike several times before cranking.

The real problem is probably the bike being lean. Getting a FI tuner that will richen it up at idle should fix your problem. My bike was bad lean even w/ the PU kit. In your cold environment I bet it's really lean. Get a JD, PC-V, or see if the dealer can put a richer map in with Ibeat.

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[MOTOXNUT]

It gets cold here in Germany. Have had the 630 for two years and ride throughout the winter months (haven´t got a car). Have never used the small left hand start lever (and haven´t even looked into what it does ... decomp? choke?). Have NEVER had the slightest problem with starting.

Interesting....... as i was told to use the cold start lever by the dealer so have always used it from cold.

 

[MOTOXNUT]

I thought we have a clutch interlock switch and bike will not start without pulling in clutch regardless whether in gear or in neutral?

I suggest you try a couple extra fuel pump primes. Turn key on and let fuel pump build pressure, then push kill switch off and on again. Repeat this once or twice and it really seems to help in very cold weather.

I also noticed a difference after changing my oil the first time. Dealer delivered bike with 10w40 and I changed to 20w50, definitely cold cranks noticeably slower with the thicker oil.

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Have tried priming the fuel pump several times but seems to make no difference. i have changed the oil to run 10w60 in it ( same as my TXC510 ) so this could be some of the problem.

Hadnt thought about the extra drag created when cranking by having to have the clutch dissengaged, might bypass that switch ( always done this on my previous Suzukis ) so that i dont have to pull the clutch in.

 

[jtemple]

It will start easier (especially when cold) with the clutch lever pulled in.

 

[SilverBullet]

Have tried priming the fuel pump several times but seems to make no difference. i have changed the oil to run 10w60 in it ( same as my TXC510 ) so this could be some of the problem.

Hadnt thought about the extra drag created when cranking by having to have the clutch dissengaged, might bypass that switch ( always done this on my previous Suzukis ) so that i dont have to pull the clutch in.

10w60 oil isn't an issue. It will be lightest weight of 10w when cold same as 10w40 or 10w50.

No extra drag if you have bike in neutral so a non issue.

I re-read your first post again. Kinda missed the fact that this was a new bike to you. Who knows how old the gas in the tank might be. Plenty of people buy a bike and it sits in the garage for a year without riding and then they decide to sell. Before you spend any more time troubleshooting, completely drain your gas tank and refill with fresh premium gas.

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[jtemple]

You can even get bad gas "fresh" from the pump.

 

[MOTOXNUT]

Who knows how old the gas in the tank might be. Plenty of people buy a bike and it sits in the garage for a year without riding and then they decide to sell. Before you spend any more time troubleshooting, completely drain your gas tank and refill with fresh premium gas.

Bike is only 4 months old now and problem has been happening for about 1000 kms now ( possibly coincidental to the coldest time of year here ) and the bike has had about 5 -6 tanks of gas through it in that time from different gas stations around NZ so i dont think it is a stale fuel problem.
Have just rechecked the valve clearances and set them at the maximum clearance as per the dealers recomendation, but this made no difference ( did not expect it to ).

Starts OK when cold, it is just when it is very cold ( zero degrees or lower ) that i have this problem.

 

[MOTOXNUT]

Hard starting cold problem sorted. Found that when it is very cold that i need to open the throttle slightly once it is cranking and the engine is kicking and trying to fire. Also found that by bypassing the clutch switch and not having the extra drag on the clutch when cranking that the engine spins over just a little bit faster too, which has also helped the hard starting. Later in the year i will put a aftermarket pipe and FI tuner on it and this should help by richening things up a bit.

 

[SilverBullet]

Also found that by bypassing the clutch switch and not having the extra drag on the clutch when cranking that the engine spins over just a little bit faster too, which has also helped the hard starting.

Glad you got your starting issue solved but I don't understand this statement. If bike is in neutral, clutch does nothing. What drag could there possibly be?

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[Fast1]

are you using ethynol fuel?

 

[rickcj7]

My engine at 800 miles!

Waiting on Husky!

 

[WickedWill]

Nasty
Did the bike have the breather unplugged at all?

 

[rickcj7]

Another update! Think twice about purchasing a BMW/Husky! Dealers are far between, some mechanics are not familier with them and BMW/Husky has no intention to help if any problems do arise they can legally weasel out of.
Will update after original dealer talks to BMW/Husky again. Dealer believes it was a Husky defect!