430 LC deco exercise

[ct cr430]

Have a friend with a bad right knee , when he's trying to start a bike with a right side kicker , he has to stand on the right side of the bike and use his left leg to start it . Now that looks awkward . But he uses left leg on a left kicker .

 

[jimspac]

A lot of talk here on decompression release devices, I honestly don't understand it. If everything is working as it should and you learn the technique, what's the big deal. I have a 430 Auto which definitely doesn't make things any easier, I don't have a problem. I'm in my 50's 160 pounds 5'9", I don't see the big deal. I like gadgets and appreciate the effort, but don't see the need.

I know I'll take some flack for my opinion, and I am not bashing anyone's clever engineering. I just don't see the need.

While we're at it, it pains me to watch some one stand beside there bike and kick with their right foot. It looks sooooo damn awkward, I know we call this section left kickers for where the kicker is located, but lets embrace it and actually kick it with our left boot.

Paul

There was a reason that DeCoster always started his right kick Suzuki with his left foot. When you jump on the kick start straddling the bike, do you really want to risk crashing your jewels on the seat? Open bikes take a lot more push to start than a 125 or 250.

 

[everfree]

for some reason, its a heap easier to kick back with the right foot when your off the bike. left footing is for tight spots only...

a lot of +55's struggle to light these things up....as you will find out, your capabilities at 50 are very diminished after at 57 - 58 im just falling a f*kn apart. I can now see that I probably wont be able to ride in two to three years whereas two years ago I was thinking of riding the 4 day enduro here on the 400. that's just out of reach now.

suprize, does this mean less Guinness or more Guinness is needed after 55 ?

 

[justintendo]

there is also the thing about saving wear to engine parts..not just yourself. i wouldnt mind having a deco on my 360 just to save the semi-fragile kicker issue they have.

 

[fran...k.]

I like the ones through the side

This means the method that "breathes" through a hole in the head outside of the dome? There has been a thread with pictures of that on here.

 

[Eurofreak]

Tony is working with me on making this exercise automatic via a vacuum operated decompression valve.

Details please. I'm interested. With my gimpy left leg, even at 5'11" I'd rather kick from the left side. I have had 4 left kickers with another on the way.
Unfortunately 57 years old and several rebuilds is approaching ancient in the dirt world

 

[Bigbill]

I drilled and welded in a sleeve right behind the sparkplug on the rear. I drilled the sleeve in a lathe to have a line up hole. Then I chamfered both ends of the sleeve. I used magnesium TIG rod and welded both ends of the sleeve. I used a angle table on a milling machine to line up the angle on the pilot hole. I drilled and tapped it for the compression release. I could kick start my 86/400 with the cr.

I need electric start now. But I pop start the kickers.

Education about pop starting a 390cr. Turn the petrol on, choke on, Get to the top of the hill coast down, when the speed is up use second gear. Dump the clutch she should fire right up. Do not use first gear. If you do you will be pushing it back up the hill for round two.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...RS0&_nkw=compression+release+adapter&_sacat=0http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...ease+.TRS0&_nkw=compression+release+&_sacat=0

 

[suprize]

"neck oil " for joint lubrication should be topped up regularly in my experience....the brand doesn't matter. "over fuelling" is not good tho

 

[ajcmbrown]

Yes

"neck oil " for joint lubrication should be topped up regularly in my experience....the brand doesn't matter. "over fuelling" is not good tho

Yes, over fuelling can cause instability.

 

[Eurofreak]

Thanks Big Bill! Good info. I've never seen those decompression buttons before.

 

[Bigbill]

I'm going to install one in every husky I have. Some heads I purchased already have the extra sparkplug threaded hole machined in them. I purchased new Suzuki cable compression releases too. But I like the smaller one.

If I do ride again the old hill just maybe my friend again. My legs for kicking just ain't working anymore.
I vision a museum in the shop with a new estart husky 300. Maybe.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-COMPRES...ash=item2ef91d3a05:g:vjMAAOSwp5JWVPUL&vxp=mtr

 

[Bigbill]

A lot of talk here on decompression release devices, I honestly don't understand it. If everything is working as it should and you learn the technique, what's the big deal. I have a 430 Auto which definitely doesn't make things any easier, I don't have a problem. I'm in my 50's 160 pounds 5'9", I don't see the big deal. I like gadgets and appreciate the effort, but don't see the need.

I know I'll take some flack for my opinion, and I am not bashing anyone's clever engineering. I just don't see the need.

While we're at it, it pains me to watch some one stand beside there bike and kick with their right foot. It looks sooooo damn awkward, I know we call this section left kickers for where the kicker is located, but lets embrace it and actually kick it with our left boot.

Paul

It's not kicking it that's the problem, we can all kick but it's the speed of the kick with the bigger bores. Was we get older we tend to slow down. I'm 66yo.

 

[jo360]

Details please. I'm interested. With my gimpy left leg, even at 5'11" I'd rather kick from the left side. I have had 4 left kickers with another on the way.
Unfortunately 57 years old and several rebuilds is approaching ancient in the dirt world

Victa make a vacuum operated automatic unit for their mowers uses vacuum from the inlet maniflold to close the valve.comes in handy if you stall as well.

 

[Eurofreak]

It seems the fussy part is where to put the hole for the deco valve in an LC to avoid the water jacket. Big Bill, I guess that's
why you have to install a sleeve for the deco.

 

[Bigbill]

I put the hole on the rear side of the sparkplug towards the rear of the bike. I chamfered the sleeve so it had plenty of weld. It worked great. My biggest mistake was I sold my '86/400WRX CROSS COUNTRY. I regret riding the '78/390cr more the weight loss machine.

 

[Darrel78]

Deco exercise complete! Kicks like a worn out 250. While this bike was never a difficult bike to start my recent health issues left me with limited stamina. I wouldn't ride the bike simply because I couldn't reliably start it. Cancer / chemo treatments took a lot out of me. Past all that now and spring beckons; going to be a great season!

 

[justintendo]

good luck with your health sir...hope you are in the clear now

 

[jo360]

Make sure the tabs that hold the diaphragm on are nice and tight would also upgrade the hose to something abit more robust ( vacuum hose) just to stop it colapsing due to heat from the engine also remember that the hose needs to be heat resistant as it feeds directly from carb manifold.
Enjoy think you will love the auto set up.

 

[dukkman]

There are a few advantages to having a deco fitted.
No kickback , protecting cases and internals ( have a photo somewhere of a 400lc kickstart shaft that is twisted off )
Easy to start because you can give the bike a few little kicks to prime it.
If you can reach it then easy to clutch start down hill after a rear brake lockup snuff. ( The Victa one does this automatically )
Protects the tiny bones in your foot.

 

[Eurofreak]

Glad it was a success. Here's to a good season, your health, and a great idea.