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250cc 2T machines back into ama 450 main events

Unfortunately only KTM and Yamaha make competitive MX250's..... and Yamaha hasn't even homologated the YZ250 for a few years. You can race a 2008-2010 YZ250, or KTM Homologated the SX250 this year for the first time, you can race a 2013 SX250. In the 250f class, The 2008-2010 YZ125 is the only legal 2-stroke for racing. For 2-strokes to ever come back in pro MX, there would need to be significant displacement and fuel rule changes. If not a straight-up displacement match, it could be a percentage thing. I would think a 175-200cc two-stroke would be about right against current 250f fourstrokes. The beauracrats at the AMA could do this, but they won't.
 
2T aren't gonna get any help unless EFI does something ...

I don't care if the champ rides one or not.. .I'd just like to see a few mixed in the running each week ...

EDIT: Step 1 to racing -- Be in the starting gate ...This just happened.
 
MOTORHEAD said:
Yeah, 250 2T with the 250 4T and 350 2T with 450 4T. :thumbsup:
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You are aware some gal (from New Zealand?)on a 125 2t whipped an entire field of 250 4t machines in the opening round of this season?

Robbie Marshall on the 250 2t qualified 16th ... PROs like CR22 was 18th, Stewart(?) was 17th ..Jake Weimer 19th ... I'm thinking with some minor track changes, that 250/300 2t will be OK with 450s ... Maybe not as dominate as the 350 4t was to the 450s in EU, but it can be a race worth watching ..
 
ray_ray said:
You are aware some gal (from New Zealand?)on a 125 2t whipped an entire field of 250 4t machines in the opening round of this season?




I saw a clip of that race and she whipped them good on her 125 and she wasn't even going to enter the race :D:applause:.
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No offense to Courtney Duncan but she is hardly as capable as the 40 guys on the Pro gate. Her best lap put her 3 seconds a lap slower than the SLOWEST qualifier in the pro race. It would be unlikely, IMO for the fastest guy out there to crack the top 20 on a 125 under the current rules. The rules are just stacked against the beautifully simple and effective 2-stroke.

It was, however, awesome for her to put the smack down with a 125! What a slap in the face to all the manufacturers (even Yamaha, kind of!!!)!
 
Camstyn said:
This is true, but I wonder how many seconds a lap she would have been faster on a more capable 250F. I love 125's but fact is they are at a huge disadvantage in that class.
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I would be interested to find out, I kinda thought Yamaha or someone would immediately step up and hand her a full piss 250f.... I wonder if the huge weight penalty would be offset by the more modern and powerfull bike? Of course she could be totally punkrock and like " F*** FOURSTROKES!!":thumbsup:
 
Duncan doesn't appear to be racing the Hipoint national, as I type J pPaterson just passed for the lead...
 
MotoMarc36 said:
I would think a 175-200cc two-stroke would be about right against current 250f fourstrokes.
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well, it all started as a 125cc class.
then the four-strokes appeared, and because they only fire every 2nd revolution, they are allowed twice the engine capacity. a stupid thing.

if the engine capacity rules are to be adjusted, it would be logical to adjust the four-stroke engines' capacity, i.e. 125cc-2t and 200cc-4t.

r
 
rasputin said:
well, it all started as a 125cc class.
then the four-strokes appeared, and because they only fire every 2nd revolution, they are allowed twice the engine capacity. a stupid thing.

if the engine capacity rules are to be adjusted, it would be logical to adjust the four-stroke engines' capacity, i.e. 125cc-2t and 200cc-4t.

r
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:thumbsup: exactly - the bikes don't need to be this powerful. If the 'lites' were 125's against 175's (or 200's) and the 'heavies' were 250's against 350's (or 400's) there would be a better mix of bikes and more guys capable of riding them to their max.
 
MotoMarc36 said:
Unfortunately only KTM and Yamaha make competitive MX250's..... and Yamaha hasn't even homologated the YZ250 for a few years. You can race a 2008-2010 YZ250, or KTM Homologated the SX250 this year for the first time, you can race a 2013 SX250. In the 250f class, The 2008-2010 YZ125 is the only legal 2-stroke for racing. For 2-strokes to ever come back in pro MX, there would need to be significant displacement and fuel rule changes. If not a straight-up displacement match, it could be a percentage thing. I would think a 175-200cc two-stroke would be about right against current 250f fourstrokes. The beauracrats at the AMA could do this, but they won't.
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pardon my ignorance but what does homologate mean over there Marc? I thought that if they were produced(production) then they could be raced? the yzs haven't changed in forever so what gives there? homolgation over here is more to do with registering a bike for roadworthy type of deal I think(compliance). what bout TM they make competitive 2 bangers(a 300mx no less!) still & husky cr125? id love to see someone on a maico 700 2t cut a few laps against the 450s!
 
TM Racing also makes nice works like 250 2T MX machines........ that are not homologated for AMA Pro competition.........but then again 99% of all competition is NOT AMA Pro competition.
 
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