FE/FC 2016 FE350S vs FE501S?

[XLEnduroMan]

I think we all know the off road/non S models are the way to go if you can as the S ecu is neutered and locked. What I haven't found out yet is can a non S ecu be plugged in to a S bike so it can be flashed and tuned?

 

[cjVOR]

Not sure why you think the S has a locked ECU. Mine is remapped and therefore no different than a non-S. The only pain was desmogging. I would have bought the non-S but got a smoking deal on a used S with a couple hours. No regrets here.

 

[Husky-Nut]

Some more questions if I may:

Which is easier and less of a hassle?

"Uncork" a new S-model? What if my dealer can't or will not do it? Options? Expensive? (keeping in mind my original post of less tight snotty stuff, more Class-4 abandoned roads, easy trails)

Or buy a new non-S model and plate it? Assuming my state it is fairly easy to do...

 

[reveille]

The easy solution in regards to the S model is to add a power commander 5 and desmog. This will cost you around 500 bucks. If you can plate a non s than go for it. The non s cost less and are already desmogged and ready to rock. In the end, you'd save around 1k by going non s.

 

[Benduro]

Before I even rode it, I desmogged.
JD Tuner with only a little bit of fuel added.
I'll reflash soon.

 

[Husky-Nut]

Hoping to FINALLY nail this deal down soon.

Question: How much different is the stock 2016 FE501/FE501s suspension vs the 2014 model year?
Same, better, worse?
Easier/harder to tune?

 

[Weantright]

Tune is the same,,,,, slightly more locked by dealer/KTM. Suspension is better

 

[reveille]

The 4cs forks are claimed to be improved but will still need some love.

 

[Wadzy]

The 501 can be ridden on just as tight terrain and slippery situations as the 350 in my opinion. Probably even more so. It can be ridden a lot easier and more relaxed too. Will climb anything. A finger on the clutch lever, even if in a gear to high. Keeps momentum up and the explosive power in check and tire spin to a minimum. The 350 can't do this as easy as the 501 and the 501 will do it all day long with ease.

I did a ride with my Buddy last weekend and his low fuel light was on at about 65 miles on his new '15 WR450F. I keep telling him to not worry about his stupid low fuel light. I've never noticed mine on my '15 FE 501 even go on, ever. I have a new "Acerbis 4.1 gallon tank" with the complete pump assembly in it with the quick connector and banjo fitting fuel outlet, that has never even been used. I'll probably never need to really use it. I haven't so far anyway.

He loaded up his WR450 in his truck and I continued on to go another 30 miles on my stock tank which holds 2.25 gallons. Before I left, I pulled out the fuel sock strainer to look down in both sides of my tank and told him I had plenty of fuel left to do my ditch ride still and it would only take me about 45 minutes to do so and we said our goodbyes. That was at 1:35 P.M. We were earlier averaging about 45mph on some rocky 2 tracks that have seldom, if ever seen any dirt bikes. I rode there to meet him all the way on trails and rode back to my driveway later like I always do. Not more than about 1/2 mile, if that of pavement.

I finished up my ride coming out of my favorite ditch and decided to go down about 5 blocks to top off the gas tank at a nearby gas station and see just how much it would take to top off the tank. To my surprise it only took 1.45 gallons to top it off and I just rode 95.9 miles. I never have checked the distance this bike will really go. I just fill it from a fuel jug at home. I was back home after having rode another 30 miles through my favorite ditch and that fuel stop at exactly 2:25 P.M. I even doubled back and took the trails home like I normally would do, even though I was right down the street 1 turn from my house at that gas station.

Like was said earlier in this post. "The 501 will run all day on a tank of gas" and most of the time others are eating your roost and you could be riding lazily on the FE501.

By the way I'm almost 57 and my 35 to 40 year old riding buddies have a tough time keeping up with me and they have never owned anything but single shock linkage equipped bikes.

Hi Timmy,

Great input and feedback. I've been looking at getting the 17 FE501, I'm 6'1 185 pounds. I'm guessing your not psychic but wondering based on what your amazing 16 FE501 has if you would mind weight in. What kind of changes in terms of my height would you recommend. I.e pegz, shifter longer, raising the bars etc.

This will be my first 501 and reading some reviews, some people have commented that the cockpit, especially the peg heigh feels cramped.

Anyways, I'm so excited about the new FE but I'm going to have to weight for two months in Canada before she arrives. Anyways, gives me some time to figure out the modification project at hand!

 

[Big Timmy]

I wouldn't say it has a cramped cockpit. You are answering your own questions though already. Pegs you can get from any number of sources. If you want lower pegs that would be your own choice. Installing the BRP "rubber isolator" Submount for the bars, that mounts the "Scotts" steering stabilizer increases bar height by about 60mm I believe. "Hammerhead designs" makes longer folding shifter ends in several offsets. Or you can just get the whole billet shifter arm from Hammerhead with whatever offset pedal end that you want. I wear a size 12 boot. If I remember right, I went with the +15mm pedal. I prefer and wear a stitched welted sole boot. I won't wear a molded sole boot because I often use the edge of the boots sole to up shift.

 

[Wadzy]

I wouldn't say it has a cramped cockpit. You are answering your own questions though already. Pegs you can get from any number of sources. If you want lower pegs that would be your own choice. Installing the BRP "rubber isolator" Submount for the bars, that mounts the "Scotts" steering stabilizer increases bar height by about 60mm I believe. "Hammerhead designs" makes longer folding shifter ends in several offsets. Or you can just get the whole billet shifter arm from Hammerhead with whatever offset pedal end that you want. I wear a size 12 boot. If I remember right, I went with the +15mm pedal. I prefer and wear a stitched welted sole boot. I won't wear a molded sole boot because I often use the edge of the boots sole to up shift.

Good info. What mm was the pedal on your FE 10mm? I'm pretty sure I'll upgrade this. I just purchased a pair of SIDI SRS Crossfire boots size 11 US. Love them.

 

[Big Timmy]

I believe it was the +15mm but it may have been the +20mm. See my Quote above. I looked at the shifter tip and I can't see any lettering on it anymore to tell you what one it is.

 

[Cooksend]

This spring I picked up a 2015 FE501 and got it plated. My thought was that it was cheaper to put a Tusk Kit on the bike than it was to re-gear and desmog the S. This year I put about 2500 miles on the bike riding anything from Big Dual Sport rides, Sandy ATV Loops, Rocky Single Track and some nasty wet rock and mud stuff. Overall I love the bike! It's well balanced and doesn't feel so big when in motion. I have also ridden a friends KTM350 and much preffered the big motor! I can certainly say that if all I rode was tight singletrack and chose a 4 stroke it would be the 350. The power of the 500 will start to wear a guy down a bit.
Just had the Euro Map installed and put a Trail Tech Map Switch on the bike and notice absolutely no difference. Not sure whats up with that.
Two great bikes for sure. If you love the power choose the 501 and never look back!

 

[Big Timmy]

I would have to agree with "Cooksend". I prefer the power of the bigger engine over the smaller power plant. One of my riding buddies "Cody" has a KTM 350 and although its under sprung for me. I have ridden it several times. But I feel like I have to work the engine harder wring it out more.

To me its just a bit less work to ride the 501 and it can be ridden a bit lazy if I want. However throttle application on the 501 should not be taken lightly, and if so it can certainly get the better of you if you aren't careful. If you push it, it can and will push right back.

Not getting complacent and paying attention will be learned on the 501 for sure. If I feel like it wears me down a bit, then I feel I got the better of it.

I'm sore for a few days after a good ride either way.

The weight differential is negligible taking on the 501 bigger engine.

I actually get better mileage on my 501 than my buddies 350 gets on the same trails, riding right alongside him.

 

[nsrrider]

501 too hot......350 too cold.......450 just right, yummmmmmm

 

[Wadzy]

I was also on the fence on which bike and started to look at the 450cc. In the end I'm getting the 500cc mostly due to the kind of riding I do and the fact I'd also like to do some trips, albeit small trips with her.

 

[nsrrider]

I was also on the fence on which bike and started to look at the 450cc. In the end I'm getting the 500cc mostly due to the kind of riding I do and the fact I'd also like to do some trips, albeit small trips with her.

I waffled between the three also.....i found the 350 (2016) to have plenty of beans for the trails but found the 500's simply a lot of fun because of the HP (but a bit of a beast in tight stuff and a little less agile)......going with the 450 as a compromise-middle of the road approach....and keep in mind the 17 450 is nearly as powerful as last years 500-501....was also considering vibe levels and the road-going ease of the bigger motors.....In the end I don't think anyone would lose with any of them...

 

[Wadzy]

Ya I figured I'd go big and maybe just add the Rekluse to tame her a little and enjoy the intoxicating hp on tap. Not sure if the transmission is much different between the two for hwy's but I was thinking the 450 may ring out a little more. I realize they both are not designed for the hwy but I'll be asking the 501 to do some double duty for some camping in BC. Was thinking of jumping on BC Ferries and checking out some Island rides. Love the idea of being able to get to the front of the line and not having to waiting in Ferry line ups. Anyways I digress, your totally right. Either bike would be a blast to ride. I'm also hoping the re-design of the engines and frame works out. I hear some of the vibration is reduced but not sure how much of this is just marketing. We'll see. Can't wait to do a review! P.S do you have any pics of your beast?

 

[nsrrider]

Ya I figured I'd go big and maybe just add the Rekluse to tame her a little and enjoy the intoxicating hp on tap. Not sure if the transmission is much different between the two for hwy's but I was thinking the 450 may ring out a little more. I realize they both are not designed for the hwy but I'll be asking the 501 to do some double duty for some camping in BC. Was thinking of jumping on BC Ferries and checking out some Island rides. Love the idea of being able to get to the front of the line and not having to waiting in Ferry line ups. Anyways I digress, your totally right. Either bike would be a blast to ride. I'm also hoping the re-design of the engines and frame works out. I hear some of the vibration is reduced but not sure how much of this is just marketing. We'll see. Can't wait to do a review! P.S do you have any pics of your beast?

I'm hoping the bike is somewhere between Austria and Oregon.....dealer says November delivery for the FE's. It's hard to find a bike to do multi-roles very well. I sold a heavily modded DR650 and a great Husaberg 450 woods bike to get this one bike. We'll see how it goes. I have already ordered a 2nd set of Warp 9 wheels that will have a cush-drive, taller gearing and 50/50 tires for those dual-sport rides.

 

[Wadzy]

I'm hoping the bike is somewhere between Austria and Oregon.....dealer says November delivery for the FE's. It's hard to find a bike to do multi-roles very well. I sold a heavily modded DR650 and a great Husaberg 450 woods bike to get this one bike. We'll see how it goes. I have already ordered a 2nd set of Warp 9 wheels that will have a cush-drive, taller gearing and 50/50 tires for those dual-sport rides.

I'm hearing the same, even some dealers are saying January. I personally think its closer to the latter and they are just trying to stall us.

You made some serious sacrifices. I can relate. I had to sacrifice an Italian full race Go Kart that was in absolutely mint shape and modz to the tits. But in the end, anything worth doing is never easy!