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2016 Betas get electronic oil injection.

To me simplicity is not, not having to take 15 seconds to mix my gas....

simplicity is less parts to diagnose and chase when stuff breaks.... because like the KTMs TPS seem like they are always going bad among other electrical crap....

Is it going to want "injector only" premix? what is you run out and all you have is the normal Yamalube 2R?

Just things that make me neverous....

And I understand people want to mess with stuff likes ratios and all that but I would think Beta, KTM, Husky or whoever would be smarter and more knowledgable on that stuff than I am..... Id rather spend my time riding than trying to reinvent the wheel.... IMO...

Oh well for know for me itll be the RR version until its a proven system and then I will jump on board....
 
GMP said:
When was the last time you rode a newer EFI street bike, especially a VTwin, that ran perfect off the floor?
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Ridden several like the new FZ-09, ran perfect. but i understand what you are saying. As for 83:1 I doubt that's the case. Even older mechanically controlled ones from decades ago were sophisticated enough to do wide ranges 25:1-100:1. There are endless 2 stroke oil injected outboard engines running around and super reliable while using less oil. Again, I personally do not fear the technology and would personally like the convenience.
 
you forgot that heavy, fragile, labor intensive water cooling.
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I remember my first water cooled bike. KDX 250. Hated it. it felt so top heavy. amazing what you can get used to.
 
I'm happy they are considering the possibility of making the system adjustable. They were nice enough to remember guys like me who tend to over think stuff.
 
well iv said it before i think we all run to much oil Amsoil sells an oil for saws n weed whackers that your sposta run at 100:1 my trial riding buddies [and they ride harder and more then most] all run 80:1 or leaner [yea yea i know trails guys ride different like the one that took his KH500 triple up a 3foot ledge in my folks back yard cleaned it]holds his owe against new bikes with a 76 Sherpa t and if you read the back of a golden spectro it says your good to 164:1 and that blue marble stuff claims 200:1
 
Yes, this is partly driven by emission laws but what automobile is not driven by emissions laws? I read that Euro5 (due in 2017) is as strict than the CARB standard with Euro6 even stricter, so the Euro's have to make a 2 stroke conform to the Euro6 standard by 2017 or force to sell the bikes as competition use only, same applies to diesel cars and trucks. BTW, the Japs would have to do this or lose the whole Euro market!!

Whether people like it or not, what Beta has introduced is a sign to the KTM conglomerate that they don't have exclusivity rights to the 2 stroke market anymore and therefore have to lift their game..competition drives innovation and the by product will benefit the user.

OR you can have the Yamaha model of dressing up a 10yo YZ250 and adding 5% price increases a year - that's not innovation rather lip service to a 2 stroke rider.

By the way, l'm not a pro Beta fan but l wish they ran the old Italian Husqvarna company...it would still be here!!
 
my only concern is that after ridng at idle or close to it then whacking the throttle WFO for say 10 seconds(& i mean throttle to the stop-lets say at bottom of a big steep hill after tight single track) will that extra oil required make it into the top end in time? talking fractions of a second here but there would be very little residual oil in the crankcase & how long does it take to seize or damage piston/rings really? yeah i know outboards snowmobiles etc but where not talking 800-1000cc+ slower revving machines here its a 250cc that revs to what 10,000rpm much quicker too! just my thoughts:confused:
 
Motosportz said:
"Our main goal with the oil injector was to make our customer’s lives easier and our bikes more user friendly. That’s really why we developed it."
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I've had my Beta for two years now. Overall satisfaction is the highest of anything I have owned before. I think they are a good solid company, and would buy another one OI or not. That said, I just don't believe this is entirely true, sorry. Clever marketing spin, JMO. In the end its all good.
 
They started using it with the x-trainer which is meant to be EZ to ride and forgiving so the "more user friendly" seems in line with that thinking. Also they did not have to do it, they chose to.
 
don't miss the point y'all the system is there and is easily disconnected, the OEM even mentions that it is easily disconnected so you premix your self into self satisfaction.
I personally would leave it on and have the variable mix feature and allow the thing to optimize mix for me. PS in the EU this is a streetbike- meaning blasting around town on streets, I'm sure they have done extensive research on the best ratios to adhere to Euro4 and still get safe (TUV) operation of the bike. In other words light on oil for low emissions but more than enough with these high grade current tech oils to keep the thing lubed well enough to keep it from failure/seize. Imagine the lawsuits if these things seize on the road and cause a crash, Im sure they have their asses covered well.
 
shawbagga said:
my only concern is that after ridng at idle or close to it then whacking the throttle WFO for say 10 seconds(& i mean throttle to the stop-lets say at bottom of a big steep hill after tight single track) will that extra oil required make it into the top end in time? talking fractions of a second here but there would be very little residual oil in the crankcase & how long does it take to seize or damage piston/rings really? yeah i know outboards snowmobiles etc but where not talking 800-1000cc+ slower revving machines here its a 250cc that revs to what 10,000rpm much quicker too! just my thoughts:confused:
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Shaw,
just an FYI modern 2 strokes for example YZ250 46.4 HP at 8500 RPM that is about as high an RPM as most of these things ever see. 4 strokes are up in the teens 11-13000 now.
2T sound like higher because of the 2 stroke at 8500 sounds like 17000 compared to a four stroke.
again I am sure Beta has done extensive research on what their engine demands are, one thing for sure with oil the injection system I would use exactly what the OEM says to use.
 
i was in the ballpark though Rob!:) maybe 125 rev that high but you know what i mean. if i was running this system i reckon id still chuck a bit of oil in the fuel tank just to err on side of caution/insurance
 
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