1. Husqvarna Motorcycles Made In Sweden - About 1988 and older

1982 430CR Restoration

Discussion in 'Vintage Restoration Projects' started by MotoFo, Oct 25, 2015.

  1. suprize Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Bendigo, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    WR 400, bike in a box Moto Villa 350
    Other Motorcycles:
    ktm 300
    nice work so far. good to get a bike that's not too far gone. did you replace the engine seals? or are you going with what you had?
  2. MotoFo Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Richmond, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1974/5 250CR, 1981 430CR, 1986 400WR
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha TY175, Yamaha TY250, CRF150F
    Suprize, thanks for your comment. I've been debating since I got the bike what to do with the motor. Admittedly, I have little experience with motor internals/splitting cases. The seals seem to be the most likely component to fail due to inactivity over time. My understanding is that one seal is relatively easy to access and the other requires splitting the cases (??). What are other’s thoughts/experience on seal replacement/failures? Anyone know of a thread that discusses the procedure? (I have yet to find a workshop manual for the 1981/82 bikes).

    My thought at this time was to put the bike back together and ride it for a while. The top end has a bit of scoring and will need attention at some time. From my short ride around the block I can tell this bike has way more power than I’ll ever need. Ideally, I would like to get into the motor next summer – non-riding season – when I have a bit more budget and really take care of what’s needed. (dartyppt’s posts on KBS rust seal for magnesium made me think I need to look into that as well).
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  3. hva-factory CH Sponsor

    Location:
    uk
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    Husqvarna 510TE , 300WR Etc...
    Yep - go out and have fun on it. Do the motor when you find it has a issue - unless of course you are racing it, in which case it needs to be perfect from the start.

    Andy
  4. suprize Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Bendigo, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    WR 400, bike in a box Moto Villa 350
    Other Motorcycles:
    ktm 300
    andy is right, just ride it for a bit. just be aware that old seals can let go and give you grief. they can also keep on working. if it lets go, you will have that running out of fuel effect with the motor running on a bit and idling up and down. worst case is it fails on a long uphill at full throttle and you could seize the top end. so as you plan to tear it down later, ride it as much as you can!

    I would wait till your non riding time, strip the motor down to the cases and send it to a good engine man and have it stripped, checked and all seals replaced as well as any mechanically worn parts. send the piston and the barrel as well and he can measure them and let you know if it needs a rebore. at a minimum give it a hone and a new set of rings if the piston is still in serviceable size.

    while lots of guys here do there own cases, I prefer to let an experienced hand do the job then I have a back up if there is an issue instead of looking in the mirror and saying "you idiot! you stuffed my cases up!"

    enjoy, its a nice bike
  5. MotoFo Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Richmond, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1974/5 250CR, 1981 430CR, 1986 400WR
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha TY175, Yamaha TY250, CRF150F
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    Continuing on with the build, I mounted the air box and the carb. I must say the lower bolt in the air box challenged my patience. It is quite small and lies hidden, deep behind the air filter holder and requires a screwdriver to hold it while the nut is tightened on the outside. Propping up the front of the frame so the bolt sits close to level certainly helped the process. Removing the air filter holder might have been the way to go but I didn’t want to remove the rivets.

    Moving on to the rear brake pedal and I’m finding, as with this bolt and nut, that some nyloc nuts need to be left loose so the brake pedal can pivot. Tighten and then loosen until the pedal can move (??) I assume this has to be correct but worries me as a nut not tightened is more likely to back-off. (Same this the chain tensioner nut).

    I put the rear wheel on and started to connect the brake arm but I found the brake arm to be binding with the head of the bolt on the chain tensioner. Judging by the wear on the bolt these two were previously in contact – doesn’t seem right to me. Perhaps the spacing is not right on the tensioner. I put a chain around the sprockets to see if the alignment was off but I couldn’t really tell but I think the tensioner should sit more to the middle of the swing arm – not sure how to achieve this (??)

    Another issue I see is that the chain tensioner seems to have too much spring and is causing the chain to hit the swing arm. Something is not right here. Anybody have any ideas? Thanks!

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  6. suprize Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Bendigo, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    WR 400, bike in a box Moto Villa 350
    Other Motorcycles:
    ktm 300
    I think you need to tighten the chain so the tensioner operates below the brake arm. I don't run a tensioner on mine and just set the tension so its 1 + cm of play when im sitting on the bike when the sprockets and pivot sort of line up. longest point of the arc. I also jump up and down a bit to make sure its not binding and pulling on the countershaft sprocket at all. this is undesirable. there should be a minimum of 20 mm between swing arm and chain?? can some one elaborate? check the tech ref section, there may be a note on chain settings to follow. nice job so far
  7. dartyppyt Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Illinois
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    17 TE 150, 82CR 500
    Other Motorcycles:
    82 125,250,430&500 79 390 83 250
    Looks like your brake stay rod needs dropped one hole behind brake lever and thats why hitting bolt on tensioner.
    Brass bushing there, not sure if just spacer or does it fit inside brake stay rod?
    Is it chamferred for two lil orings. If so goes in rod. Brake stay rod pivots along with pedal. Just tighten nylon lock nuts but enough so things move. Also, man created red loc tite. Prevents 10 mile pushing bikey out of woodsey!
    Chain guide can be moved forward one hole. I've seen them both ways. Front hole or rear hole.
    Make sure brake pedal adjustment bolt hits nut on swing arm for proper placement.
    Also, download parts fische and it pretty good to tell you where everything suppose to go.
    Looking good!
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  8. dartyppyt Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Illinois
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    17 TE 150, 82CR 500
    Other Motorcycles:
    82 125,250,430&500 79 390 83 250
    Yeah, looks like you off on some things.

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  9. MotoFo Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Richmond, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1974/5 250CR, 1981 430CR, 1986 400WR
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha TY175, Yamaha TY250, CRF150F
    surprise, yes tightening the chain puts the tension on the tensioner. I'd like to keep it functioning on the bike. Thanks.
    dartyppt, there are only two holes – top for the brake arm and bottom for the brake pedal. I'll need to inspect the tensioner. I'm a bit stumped at the moment. It could be that the tensioner mount on the swing arm is slightly bent or was built slightly off (worn bolt head?). If I was able to bend it towards the outside of the swing arm it would push the tensioner back towards the center. It is pretty beefy though. Thanks for the input.
  10. Bengt Husky Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    UK
    I tension my chain up so that I can get myindex finger between the chain and the swinging arm (through the centre line of the tensioner roller).
  11. GaryM Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Austin, Tx
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1981 430cr second 430 CR 500cr
    Other Motorcycles:
    1981 490 Maico
    Just a couple things I do to help. First get a second washer on the brake mounting bolt and longer bolt for the mount and install washer toward the back against frame. See your nice paint it just might have added just enough to bind. You also can just take a bit of material off of the end of the bushing barrel in brake lever to make it shorter than
    bushing. For some reason that second washer ( after triming the barrel a bit ) pushs against the bushing and not brake lever and rotates better. Lots of grease to. Or get a small washer less the dia. of bushing and install next to frame in back of lever.
  12. ruwfo Administrator

    Location:
    NJ
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1980 390CR, 1982 430CR, 1984 400WR
    Other Motorcycles:
    1985 250XC, 2016 FJ-09
    I've used a Pan Head socket head bolt, which is a low profile bolt, lower in height then a hex one.
  13. MotoFo Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Richmond, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1974/5 250CR, 1981 430CR, 1986 400WR
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha TY175, Yamaha TY250, CRF150F
    I've been busy and the 430 is awaiting my attention. I did attempt to mount the front wheel and found that the axel only threads about half-way into the nut. Perhaps the three-part spacer that fits in the hub is backwards (??) – something to try next. Anyone have any ideas. Also, the brake arm seems quite close to the axel block. Though the wheel does look to be centered between the forks.

    Thanks,
  14. MotoFo Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Richmond, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1974/5 250CR, 1981 430CR, 1986 400WR
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha TY175, Yamaha TY250, CRF150F
    It seems to me that the axle should thread through the entire nut. I'm feeling that something isn't right. Might anyone with a '81 or '82 model compare their front axle to these photos and let me know if yours is the same or if the axle extends through the nut?

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  15. grouty Auto Lover ...

    Location:
    South West UK
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    78 390WR, 78 390 AMX, 500 Humph
    Other Motorcycles:
    works 73 CCM 520, another 73 CCM520
    That does not look like the right nut ! I always thought they were a 'half nut'. I which case the length of thread would be correct. Have you got the speedo drive or correct length spacer to go in there ?
  16. endurodave Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Catawba River Basin, Carolina
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 250XC
    Other Motorcycles:
    KTM MC-5 175,GS 250 IT200N, Beta 300
    The front axle uses a jamb nut ( half width)

    Photo of 82 250 XC / IMG_1192.JPG
  17. stormer254 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    England
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    More than I dare let her know
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yes!
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    As this and this.


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  18. 84scrambler Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    mid Florida
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    87 xc 250, 85 wrx 250, 79 wr 250
    And no washer.
  19. MotoFo Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Richmond, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1974/5 250CR, 1981 430CR, 1986 400WR
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha TY175, Yamaha TY250, CRF150F
    Ok. Thanks for the replies. I looks like I have a nut that is wider than it is supposed to be – could be a rear axle nut (?). I'll go down to my nut and bolt specialist and see what they can dig up. Another question I have is what is the correct placement of the metal sleeve that butts-up against the fork. I put equal distance on each side of the fork leg but judging from the photos it looks like it should be flush with he outside of the fork and the overhang would be on the inside of the fork. Correct?
  20. MotoFo Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Richmond, CA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1974/5 250CR, 1981 430CR, 1986 400WR
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yamaha TY175, Yamaha TY250, CRF150F
    The front axle issue is largely resolved although the half width nut is not readily available locally. Phillip at Husqvarna-parts.com recommended I contact Rick Horvat.

    Jumping back a bit, when I got the bike one of the things I noticed was the rubber connector between the air box and the carburetor had become dislodged from the air box. The flange of the connector is supposed to slip into the air box. I used some silicon to seal the connection and I’ll keep my eye on it. I got a little messy with the silicone and when I cleaned up the excess I noticed the weathered, greyish, black plastic had returned to a nice solid black. In one of those what-the-heck moments I decided to coat the air box in silicone. After allowing it to set over night I spent around an hour massaging the excess off. My air box looks 100% better and I’m hoping the residual coating will create a nonstick environment. We’ll see.


    The carb, as I mentioned, was really clean when I took it apart. A look at the jetting and it has a 2.0 slide, 450 main, 35 pilot and the 6DH3 needle in the middle position. I believe stock is a 440 main and a 45 pilot. I’ve seen several comments about jetting for these bike here on Café Husky but I don’t know what to make of it yet until I get some time on the bike.

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