• 4 Stroke Husqvarna Motorcycles Made In Italy - About 1989 to 2014
    TE = 4st Enduro & TC = 4st Cross

  • Hi everyone,

    As you all know, Coffee (Dean) passed away a couple of years ago. I am Dean's ex-wife's husband and happen to have spent my career in tech. Over the years, I occasionally helped Dean with various tech issues.

    When he passed, I worked with his kids to gather the necessary credentials to keep this site running. Since then (and for however long they worked with Coffee), Woodschick and Dirtdame have been maintaining the site and covering the costs. Without their hard work and financial support, CafeHusky would have been lost.

    Over the past couple of weeks, I’ve been working to migrate the site to a free cloud compute instance so that Woodschick and Dirtdame no longer have to fund it. At the same time, I’ve updated the site to a current version of XenForo (the discussion software it runs on). The previous version was outdated and no longer supported.

    Unfortunately, the new software version doesn’t support importing the old site’s styles, so for now, you’ll see the XenForo default style. This may change over time.

    Coffee didn’t document the work he did on the site, so I’ve been digging through the old setup to understand how everything was running. There may still be things I’ve missed. One known issue is that email functionality is not yet working on the new site, but I hope to resolve this over time.

    Thanks for your patience and support!

TXC310R Fails

robertaccio

Husqvarna
Pro Class
2 different races 2 fails.
1) At the start as the flag was dropping, my clutch plain bearing seized leaving my clutch fully engaged, DNF, Husky fixed at no charge thank you Husky.

2) Big fail in a recent race no DNF but ran bike with with what I figure was no oil pump for quite a while.
Hot bike = annoying e start no work(prior to starter bulletin instalation)- kick started and got a couple big kick backs with associated gear crunching noise. Continued race and heard rattling and strange noise but thought it was my imagination and was only a stick or something in my chain or chain guide. It wasnt.
cleaning up bike post race and final job was to check valves and change oil, pulled drain plug and metal gear bits were all over my mag plug.
Started opening motor to find bits contained low in the oil pan area. decided to disassemble the entire motor to be sure of no FOD condition.
@99% of gear bits were in the bottom pan area with a couple bits carried up with cam chain up top. intake cam bearing surface has some slight galling that can be cleaned with some crocus cloth, exhaust cam surfaces look good. found crankshaft end mounted oil pump drive grear and its matching idler gear completely stripped of their gear teeth. Pump feels good and pump drive gear is good (we will dissasemble the pump to inspect), Piston looks good, cylinder is going up to millenium tech for a replate its scuffed with one long groove (I guess one tiny piece of gear got up in there) hacked. all bearings look good, gearbox looks good. Will pull the valves and verify them and fully decarbon everything. Had the ECU reflashed with the open race map and have a full FMF system on the way for the reassembly of my new motor. Will most likely do suspension while shes in for rebuild. all else is good, except all my KTM crew and now Beta crew asking me why I stick with Husky and all these failures..........

incident cause hypothesis, ignition advance kick back caused very rapid reversal of the crankshaft and the quick blast back had the oil pump hydro locked and a tooth or so cracked on the drive gears. They were being rolled in normal motor direction from me kicking then it slammed back the opposite direction from ignition advance kick back. Once the engine was running normally they unmeshed on the no tooth/broken tooth spots and continued to gnaw all the teeth off of both mating gears as the race continued. Also note the gears for the oil pump on these X-lites are Xlite thin little light weight gears.

It could have been much worse. but it aint too good as it is. its only June and my 2013 bike motor is fully torn apart on the work bench and will undergo a millenium tech cylinder replate. Also happily for me I have a great support crew to assist in labor, parts and services costs and efforts. That was my where my little hidden hints of a rant were in other threads.

3) as stated in the starter thread we also found the ignition flywheel sprag clutch bearing surface to be unsat and cause for rejection.
Other than all that I love this bike.......and shoot an oil pump fail and no DNF? thats almost unheard of (gotta look at the bright side). And it is only a machine, machines break under the best of circumstances.
 
What battery are you running? My 13 will not start when hot with a recommended 2.5 amp battery. I am hoping the 5 amp battery will cure starting problem. Bike is supposed to have all updated starting "stuff". You got me worried about kicking it when hot.
 
Well, that aint purty.....
So far so good on our TXC310R.

We had the starter gear replacement before the bike had a dozen hours on it so I was a bit nervous. But now it starts right up every time and the little beast makes amazing power. We've run courses from fast high gear desert to mostly MX track and single track on hillsides at Washougal and no problems yet. We dont abuse it, but it is being raced at the top of the 50+ Expert class, so it does work for a living.

It would appear that your situation is an anomaly, or at least an outlier; Im not expecting such a highly tuned machine to be low maintenance, but large scale failure aint good. Keep us posted.
 
It sounds like you're trying very hard to be pragmatic about it all, but that sucks.

In particular it's always bugged me that so many bikes (from so many manufacturers) have had oil pump drive gears made of phenolic or recycled Datsuns.

If my XR600 had self destructed every time it kicked back then the motor would have spent even more time on the bench than it did (which was a lot of time...)

Finally, imo as customers we have to get out of the mindset of "it's a competition bike, so it's ok if it breaks". It's not ok. Twenty+ years ago competition bikes pushed the laws of physics a lot more than they do today. If something lets go because you're extracting stupid mean piston velocities with prehistoric materials and mixture / ignition controls then that's fine, but if something comes apart like a cheap watch simply because of poor design / manufacture / assembly then that's inexcusable - and it's the bugbear I have with so many modern dirtbikes.

We all get a "Friday afternoon" bike that's nothing but trouble now and again, but with dirtbikes (from all manufacturers) it happens far too often. Compared to asphalt racers the average dirtbike doesn't make enough power to wear itself out (certainly not over the course of a season).

My sympathies robertaccio.
 
Yea Ive heard that but bike only has 4 hours on it.

If you are having starting problems the exhaust valve is the first place I would look....even with 4 hours. This applies to both redheads and the earlier 11-12 bikes. When we were putting the new starter gears in ours (courtesy of HVNA) the mechanic 'bet' me that the real solution would be the valves.....so far he has been wrong on our bike, but he didnt get that opinion on accident.
 
I have about 10 hours on my 13 TXC 310 and my starter went out. I feel your pain as my son's KTM 350 blew apart. It was very discouraging but it is a good handling bike. I guess patience truly is a virtue. I have to say I love the 310 handling better than any bike I have had. I hope this is a one time occurrence for you.
 
It seems odd that the 13 seems to have more problems than the 11 or 12. I might be willing to part with my 12 TXC for the same reason it's always fun to have a new girlfriend. (and regret it later)_:)
I wouldn't wish your luck with the bike on anyone - but least of all you. You've been a great spokesman for the brand and deserve better. I can't 'like' your post but I like your attitude. :thumbsup:
 
My TXC310R did exactly the same thing, broke four Teeth of the Oil Pump Drive Gear.
Luckily I stopped when I heard the rattle and found 3 Teeth in the Sump and 1 on the Generator Magnet !
I replaced Gear, Shaft and Bearing and so far (8 hours) so good.

I have also have had a new ECU (original died), and the Starter Gears (Electric Start would not work).

I have previously owned 2 other 310s a 2011 and a 2012 and had almost zero problems with either !
This 2013 has been a pain, but when it goes it is perfect !!!
 
Sorry to hear Robert, as someone else said, you have been a great statesman for Husqvarna.

...decided to disassemble the entire motor to be sure of no FOD condition.
@99% of gear bits were in the bottom pan area with a couple bits carried up with cam chain up top. intake cam bearing surface has some slight galling that can be cleaned with some crocus cloth, exhaust cam surfaces look good. found crankshaft end mounted oil pump drive grear and its matching idler gear completely stripped of their gear teeth. Pump feels good and pump drive gear is good (we will dissasemble the pump to inspect), Piston looks good, cylinder is going up to millenium tech for a replate its scuffed with one long groove (I guess one tiny piece of gear got up in there) hacked. all bearings look good, gearbox looks good. Will pull the valves and verify them and fully decarbon everything. Had the ECU reflashed with the open race map and have a full FMF system on the way for the reassembly of my new motor. Will most likely do suspension while shes in for rebuild. all else is good, except all my KTM crew and now Beta crew asking me why I stick with Husky and all these failures..........
What is amazing to me, is the mad mechanical skills you have to do that kind of work. :cheers:
 
Robert,

I had a 2009 Honda CRF450R that had an oil pump failure at less than 20 hours. Probably about the same amount of damage as yours. Some things wrecked, but not everything. It sucks, but it can happen to any brand.
 
I had a Chevy pickup once that went 220,000 miles once without the oil pump failing before I sold it. Didn't happen to that brand. Those Italian guys in red jumpsuits complaining about how they were forced out of their jobs are the same guys that built these bikes that are failing. Perhaps they should have been as concerned about Husqvarna while they were working there as they are now that they are not?
 
I wouldn't wish your luck with the bike on anyone - but least of all you. You've been a great spokesman for the brand and deserve better. I can't 'like' your post but I like your attitude. :thumbsup:

+100

One lemon doesn't mean every bike is a paperweight. This kinda thing happens with every brand from time to time. Shit happens. Unfortunately, sometimes shit happens to YOU.
 
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