Leo Vince 08 610 power-up kit.

[North]

I just put a power up kit on my 08 TE610. It's a Leo Vince can with the high performance chip. I just bombed around the street on the bike, but sofar I like it.

I won't be able to get to the trails until next Monday or Tuesday to really check it out. I would like to leave the heat guards off the pipe and just wrap it. Does anybody make an after-market guard?

As long as your not really given her, it's not louder then the stock can.

 

[ramz]

high performance chip

Where and how do you install the chip?

 

[Muddy Waters]

North, there‘s got to be more to this then rattle, noise and…

....just bombed around the street on the bike, but sofar I like it.

More details please…?!?

 

[Mike Kay]

I hear ya on opening up the 610. I put a Uptite can on mine a few weeks ago, and sealed the sensor with a bung, and that alone has really done wonders. The weight savings alone is impressive. I still need to get it hooked up to IBeat and dialed in. Its exciting to think there still more hp to grab. The nuetral light is blinking...

I took that guard off. I wrapped it and love it. But--even with the wrap it will need a cover. I got a Tecate beer can out in the garage waiting to cut it up and safety wire it over the wrap. Red, white and black.

 

[North]

To find where the chip goes, I just followed to were the co2 sensor goes. I unpluged the co2 senor and pluged in the chip in the same place. You have to lift the gas tank up a bit on the sensor (left) side.

Well, the bike does make more noise, but it does feel like it has more grunt. It feels like "power on" when you give it and "power off" when you stop. If that makes any sense.

Going up steep mountain trails next week will tell me how much more. I am hoping that it will really lug now. It also looks better.

I am going to try the wrap and maybe I can make some half-ass guard.

I guess that the stock guard is not all that bad, but it does look so much more hard core with it off.

 

[mrkartoom]

Leo Vince makes 2 sizes of universal pipes guards. Short is 4" and the other 6" I think. They are carbon fiber and match the Leo header guard. They are straight peices. Their header guard (pic below) may fit the stock header with their universal clips, but it does sweep a bit differently so I can't say for sure. Also not sure if it's available separately. I have the little 4" guard installed in the gap between the can and the main guard. I still had to add a homemade peice at the upsweep to stop melting my boots on it.

I have this same full Leo system on my TE. It still uses the O2 sensor. My dealer insisted it required no re-mapping and that I should ingore the decel popping I get. Just adding the system made huge gains in power, but I'm not sure the header added that much over stock. It looks better though.

I never knew there was another ignition map available, so I'm going to call my dealer about the chip. I can control the decel pop with the throttle control, but I'd like to feel that other map and get the small throttle mix better.

 

[ramz]

To find where the chip goes, I just followed to were the co2 sensor goes. I unpluged the co2 senor and pluged in the chip in the same place.

As far as I know, there is no CO2 sensor on the '08 TE610. There is an O2 sensor, called the lambda sensor, that screws into the exhaust pipe just below the fuel tank. On the Leo Vince kit, the lambda sensor is replaced by a small plastic piece that contains a resistor. The lambda sensor is unplugged from the main harness and the small plastic piece is plugged in. The ECU sees the resistor and knows to change the fuel map. With the sensor removed, the system goes into open-loop mode because there is no feedback on O2 to the ECU. The new map is commonly called the race map. Lastly, the lambda sensor is removed from the exhaust pipe and replaced by a brass plug. This prevents degradation of the sensor (normally, the sensor is heated to keep it clean; when it is no longer connected, it will get exhaust debris on it and so it is removed).

Perhaps what you are calling a chip is in fact the small plastic piece that contains a resistor. I've not found any other reference to an actual chip that can be inserted into the circuit.

The '08 TE610 parts catalog shows the option parts on parts page 23 (page 92).

There is a pretty good discussion on another forum about the race map, lambda sensor, Power Commander, and other related hop-up options.

 

[North]

As far as I know, there is no CO2 sensor on the '08 TE610. There is an O2 sensor, called the lambda sensor, that screws into the exhaust pipe just below the fuel tank. On the Leo Vince kit, the lambda sensor is replaced by a small plastic piece that contains a resistor. The lambda sensor is unplugged from the main harness and the small plastic piece is plugged in. The ECU sees the resistor and knows to change the fuel map. With the sensor removed, the system goes into open-loop mode because there is no feedback on O2 to the ECU. The new map is commonly called the race map. Lastly, the lambda sensor is removed from the exhaust pipe and replaced by a brass plug. This prevents degradation of the sensor (normally, the sensor is heated to keep it clean; when it is no longer connected, it will get exhaust debris on it and so it is removed).

Perhaps what you are calling a chip is in fact the small plastic piece that contains a resistor. I've not found any other reference to an actual chip that can be inserted into the circuit.

The '08 TE610 parts catalog shows the option parts on parts page 23 (page 92).

There is a pretty good discussion on another forum about the race map, lambda sensor, Power Commander, and other related hop-up options.

Your right, it is the 02 or lambda sensor. It is plugged now.

The Dealer told me it was a chip, but I don't know. I didn't think it looked like a chip.

 

[mrkartoom]

I'm still confused

I see the parts (2,3, and 26) in the parts manual, but I talked to my dealer today and they continue to say there is no power up kit for the TE610. They say these kits are intended for the smaller, racing TE's. This sort of makes sense since these are really race bikes and detuned for DOT in stock trim. The TE610 is not a race-purpose machine so the secondary map would surprise me.

However, my dealer also thinks the ingition systems may be the same and possibly they do contain another map that can be accessed the same way, but it may not be tuned for the 610. But why then are the parts in the T610 book?

Anyway I just haven't seen anything official yet that says there is a kit for the 610, but that doesn't mean it ain't so. Is my dealer just not with it?

 

[palmczak]

The 08 610 does indeed have the alternate fuel map. It is activated in the same way the as the other Te's.

I cannot say for sure if Husqvarna ever intended to sell a packaged power up kit for the 610, but if the pieces are acquired individually the result is the same.

I am have done a bit of experimentation with my 08 610. I want a switch to control "race mode" and "econo mode" similar to some other bikes that have selectable fuel maps. I will leave the O2 sensor installed and powered, (heated) but switch the ECU to a 2.2K resistor that is the resistance that triggers the ECU to switch to "race mode"

 

[Coffee]

The 08 610 does indeed have the alternate fuel map. It is activated in the same way the as the other Te's.

I cannot say for sure if Husqvarna ever intended to sell a packaged power up kit for the 610, but if the pieces are acquired individually the result is the same.

I am have done a bit of experimentation with my 08 610. I want a switch to control "race mode" and "econo mode" similar to some other bikes that have selectable fuel maps. I will leave the O2 sensor installed and powered, (heated) but switch the ECU to a 2.2K resistor that is the resistance that triggers the ECU to switch to "race mode"

I did not know that, thanks!

Feel free to fill in your location so we know what weather you might be having, and of course it would be great if you could say hello in the welcome thread
http://www.cafehusky.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4

 

[Mike Kay]

I want a switch to control "race mode" and "econo mode" similar to some other bikes that have selectable fuel maps. I will leave the O2 sensor installed and powered, (heated) but switch the ECU to a 2.2K resistor that is the resistance that triggers the ECU to switch to "race mode"

Get a carb and install one of these:
http://www.husqvarnaoutlet.com/inc/sdetail/1075

Many bikes now have a switch. Rumors that the '09 would have it, but doesnt seem to be the case.

Eventually someone will have a switched system for the efi bikes. For sure take a look at the link above.

 

[UngaWunga]

The 08 610 does indeed have the alternate fuel map. It is activated in the same way the as the other Te's.

I cannot say for sure if Husqvarna ever intended to sell a packaged power up kit for the 610, but if the pieces are acquired individually the result is the same.

I am have done a bit of experimentation with my 08 610. I want a switch to control "race mode" and "econo mode" similar to some other bikes that have selectable fuel maps. I will leave the O2 sensor installed and powered, (heated) but switch the ECU to a 2.2K resistor that is the resistance that triggers the ECU to switch to "race mode"

Interesting. Does the lambda sensor put out more or less resistance when rich? I wonder if you could control the open loop mode with a different resistor. Say if you found the open loop too rich using a 2.2K ohm resistor, you could switch to a 2.1K ohm resistor.

Or is ECU specifically looking for 2.2K ohms to trigger the open loop mode?

 

[Mike Kay]

Interesting.

Or is ECU specifically looking for 2.2K ohms to trigger the open loop mode?

thats correct.

Just some FYI,
Both Motosportz and Uptite sell the little plastic 2.2ohms resistor that plugs in, as well as brass bungs to take out the O2 sensor. That way you can use whatever free flow exhaust and the two additions, its a VERY easy mod to do. The performance gain is very impressive.

As for two ignitions that can be switched back and forth, i asked George about this, and it looks like it cant be done on the Husky.

Also-the bike will adjust for altitude with this mod. With or without the O2 sensor.

Just some info.

My 08 610 is now breathing easy, and really woken up. For sure fuel milage has gone down. Its faster than my opened up XR650.

 

[tlking6]

My dealer insisted it required no re-mapping and that I should ingore the decel popping I get.

I wouldnt believe that. It's popping because its too lean. Way too lean. It would seem to me that adding a free flowing exhaust with an existing lean condition would make it worse. Before I put the power up kit on mine my spark plug was so white it had ash on it. Lean motor = hot motor. Since I added the pipe, and the resistor, my fan hasn't come on once, that I know of anyway. My plug is a perfect tan color, hasn't popped once however I did drop about 15 MPG.

 

[palmczak]

Interesting. Does the lambda sensor put out more or less resistance when rich? I wonder if you could control the open loop mode with a different resistor. Say if you found the open loop too rich using a 2.2K ohm resistor, you could switch to a 2.1K ohm resistor.

Or is ECU specifically looking for 2.2K ohms to trigger the open loop mode?

The O2 sensor on my 08 Te610 is a 4 wire sensor. 2 wires are for a heater to keep the O2 sensor at proper operating temperature. (typical O2 sensors require about 600F temperature before they will produce accurate results) The other 2 wires are the O2 sensor circuit. Typical O2 sensors generate a range of voltage from about .1 to 1 volt. The ECU interprets lower the voltages as leaner mixture higher voltages are interpreted by the ECU as rich mixtures. If you actually measure the voltages produced by an O2 sensor the voltages will bounce around a lot (in that 0-1 volt range) but the ECU uses an average in its determination.

The ECU in these bikes has 2 modes "Open Loop" and "Closed Loop". Closed Loop referrers to the closed circuit when the O2 sensor is feeding information to the ECU. Open Loop is when the O2 Sensor is not feeding information to the ECU. When the bike is first started it operates in Open Loop for a few moments, even if the O2 sensor is installed and connected. This is a common practice since the O2 sensor cannot give accurate feedback to the ECU until it has reached its proper operating temperature. This startup procedure is likely programmed into the ECU and cannot be changed.

So actually the ECU is not looking for 2.2K Ohms but rather 0 (zero) volts is what triggers the open loop mode. I cannot say for sure since I have not seen one of these plugs (chips) or what ever they are being sold as but I suspect they actually place the resistor across the O2 heater wires to simulate the electrical load of the O2 sensors heater and leave the O2 sensor circuit disconnected (AKA zero volts = Open Loop). With out this load the ECU will probably generate a "code" since it would think the O2 sensor has failed. (like the check engine light in your car) on these bikes the equivalent of the check engine light is the flashing neutral light.

There absolutely are ways to create a switch that will enable "race mode" (open loop) and "econo mode" (closed loop) I am not sure if the ECU will switch modes on the fly. It may be necessary to shut the bike off and restart before the ECU would switch modes.

 

[Mike Kay]

There absolutely are ways to create a switch that will enable "race mode" (open loop) and "econo mode" (closed loop) I am not sure if the ECU will switch modes on the fly. It may be necessary to shut the bike off and restart before the ECU would switch modes.

How?

There arent dual ignitions for opened up bikes. Only a setting for an open exhaust, and one for a choked up exhaust.

What we need is a duel ignition map, with both maps being for opened up bikes.

IF we could switch between the current offerings, wouldnt we just have a 'race' mod, and an ignition thats set up for a very choked up bike? It might sort of be similar, but it also might be so lean that the bike overheats, etc.

Not trying to argue or anything, please dont read my post that way, just really trying to understand how this could be done.

 

[palmczak]

How?

There arent dual ignitions for opened up bikes. Only a setting for an open exhaust, and one for a choked up exhaust.

What we need is a duel ignition map, with both maps being for opened up bikes.

IF we could switch between the current offerings, wouldnt we just have a 'race' mod, and an ignition thats set up for a very choked up bike? It might sort of be similar, but it also might be so lean that the bike overheats, etc.

Not trying to argue or anything, please dont read my post that way, just really trying to understand how this could be done.

We are modifying only the fuel characteristics. I am not sure to what degree the ECU has the ability to alter the ignition timing of the bike. When running in open loop the ECU is still monitoring the intake sensors, but is fooled into believing that it is always running in a lean condition by the zero voltage from the O2 sensor. Since it believes it is always running lean, the ECU injects the max programmed amount of fuel in to the intake/combustion chamber.

The current bike has the ability to monitor fuel/air ratio and adjust (with in certain limits) to an uncorked bike. What I mean is that if you add a free flowing exhaust you don't automatically have to place the bike in race mode. I have just installed a new pipe on my bike and it appears to run fine... I have heard others complain of poping on deceleration (after installing after market pipes) and while this can be due to an overly lean condition it does not have to be. My bike popped a bit with the stock pipe and I live at 9000' I have a difficult time believing the bike was running lean here!

 

[04asphalt]

keep the info coming

I just bought a Barret? muffler from a fellow forum member. b4 I mount it I need to break-in my motor which already pops on decel here in MI (sea level).

I was planning to keep the 02 sensor as I want the fuel economy. If I have it set up for the new muff using the ibeat software will it be okay?
what kind of power gains should I expect with the free flowing Barret and 02 sensor?

 

[tlking6]

keep the info coming

I was planning to keep the 02 sensor as I want the fuel economy. If I have it set up for the new muff using the ibeat software will it be okay?

I believe you can and it will run good. I had a chance to ride an 08 that had the emmisions stuff connected with a LV slip on, but he had made adjustments with the I beat Software and it ran fine. No popping, smooth accel etc. He gave me the numbers that he ended up with after playing with them alot and I have them written down somewhere. I can look for them if you like. I may play around with that setup someday to get better mileage if I ever get around to it.