ISDE 2012 Final MX test......60% Paved ROAD!, 40% dirt....

[robertaccio]

WTF..??? are they kidding??To be held within and around the Sachsen Ring's Moto GP course. Just saw it on Offroad Champions..
Maybe I jumped the gun, lots of folks are praising this set up.
Will the guys bring their SM tires??

 

[LandofMotards]

Thats sounds perfect!

 

[Chilly]

Seems sort of strange. But the final moto is mostly just a big show for most riders. The top few pros are really battling, but most guys are just out for a good Sunday moto and ready to have the event over and get their medals.

In 2003 they did the same thing in Brasil, full supermoto. I am not sure that anyone even knew it was going to happen until they got to the event. A local guy beat Stephan Everts in one of the motos. Everyone thought it was pretty cool to watch. If I recall, they didn't let anyone run special tires, just the regular FIM knobbies.

But I saw over on Befurious that they are charging some pretty steep fees for spectators. Like ten euro to get into a regular special test, something over 150 euro for the whole week package.

 

[glangston]

Like the TDF ride into Paris

 

[robertaccio]

truth is FIM (DOT) standard tires rail on dry pavement. They are all I ever use anyway (Pirelli Scorp pro FIM). From first hand experience at the local Tecate GP (2nd 45+ Open). I did not know what to expect until I holeshotted my line into the 1st block 90 deg right hander and the thing stuck like glue onto the road. We had other crazy fun road sections including a long fast sweeping left hander that felt like full on road racing and a few hard on the brakes into the dirt sections from the road, rear wheel in the air type stuff, the FIM (DOT) rubber probably works better on pavement than the usual offroad only knobs most folks run all the time.

This race was my experience with FIM rubber on dry pavement. (same course not my viddy)

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0qjjKd7SLvc
#!

and I digress from the thread. Chilly despite the dust in some sections this race was a blast, zipping in and around the town with folks lining the streets.
http://www.race-dezert.com/home/tecate-gp-24007.html

 

[glangston]

Camera on your chest?

 

[robertaccio]

Not me (Eric open intermediate) but yes chest cam. (him 6 laps in 2:09:00)
our 45+ Masters row start was behind these guys(me 6 laps in 2:12:54 )

 

[glangston]

Not me (Eric) but yes chest cam.
our 45+ row start was behind these guys (I'm pretty sure I beat him in this race)

I think the optimum spot is inside the helmet where I've seen a lipstick Sony placed once and some guy attached a typical pocket camera there once too. I've used both the top of the helmet and chest and prefer the top a little. Chest is full of bike handlebars, a never changing scene. Maybe adjust the chest rig to just clearing the chin and helmet would work too...a bib shot.

 

[robertaccio]

I like it stuck on the side but right in front is probably best just a little impractical for mounting.

 

[Norman Foley]

1973 USA ISDT was the first time a grass track/MX was used for the final test, as a road race was always used. 1975 ISDT Isle of Man was the last time a road race final test was used.

 

[robertaccio]

Thanks Norm,
http://vroum52.com/isdt.html
daily street speed tests were the "Norm".

 

[Chilly]

1973 USA ISDT was the first time a grass track/MX was used for the final test, as a road race was always used. 1975 ISDT Isle of Man was the last time a road race final test was used.

I had forgotten that part about the ISDT.

I remember Billy Uhl telling me a story about his first six days in '69. He was getting killed in the final road race, his bike was way down on power. He was in danger of falling off of gold medal time. I believe it was a Monarch or similar Sachs motor bike. His dad, Herb Uhl, was on a line in front of him riding a 350. Herb slowed down to allow Billy to catch up to him and draft off his rear fender. That allowed Billy to stay on gold.

 

[Vinduro]

Billy was on a Sachs / Hercules in 1969. I have a photo. No. Herb was on a 125 (#125) and Billy a 100 (#119). Billy rode a PUCH 175 in 1970.

 

[Joe Chod]

Vinduro is again wise.
Drew told me about his start of day 6 in 75 at Isle of man. WOW is all I will say

 

[Vinduro]

I remember Carl Cranke telling me about the final ISDT Road Race test. Drifting on pavement and knobbies ! It was worse when it rained like in 1972.

 

[bearorso]

A magazine had an article about Carl Crankes battle in the final Road Race at the IOM ISDE - I think the original Dirt Rider, or Performance Cycle, or Modern Cycle? Whether or not there was a fair bit of journalistic license in the tale of the race, it sure read well, his battle with the Eastern Block riders and their Jawas - missing corners, jumping embankments (after partial seizures etc). Great stuff!

I thought that Vinduro might have done a few ISDTs with the Road Race final? Perhaps he's younger than me.

The final Road Race was a long established thing.

Should be "interesting", at the least, to see it back. I'll be in Europe at the time, but will only get a few early days at the ISDE. As I'm primarily there for the MX Des Nations - though, I hope to get there early enough to see the final Sidecar Cross GP, and the final MX GP, all close together, this year.

 

[Vinduro]

No pavement racing for me. Barely missed qualifying in 1975 because they cancelled one of the Qualifiers (Picayune, MS). I should have qualified in 1976 but Al Ames said I didnt' have enough experiance. I first qualified for the 1977 ISDT but couldn't go due to broken collarbone from airplane crash. Got bumped from team to put a SWM rider on team in 1978. First actual ISDT was 1979 in Germany. I have only been racing in the dirt since 1971. 42 years. I guess that is why my shoulders need rebuilding. LOL.

 

[pat ohara]

The 80cc and 100cc classes back in the 70's when i first became aware of the ISDT were a treat to watch, what skill those guys had. Amazing, sounded like a swarm of bees. Monarch, SWM, Jawa ; the english rode the smaller Rickman's. Do either Vinduro or Norm remember that BMW twins were also very much in the mix, the Eastern Europeons were a force to be reckoned with. It seems that the venues were different in as much as they had more flow. ISDT is the true test for sure. Oh, how about the Maico and Spanish six-days efforts.

 

[robertaccio]

Broken collar bone.......from airplane crash???**************************************** whoa!!