So excuse my ignorance as I am new on here and thinking of buying a TR650. After reading hours of threads here I started calling BMW and Husky dealers in the Southeast US to see if anyone had the ability to update, read or do resets on the ECU. I could not find anyone in SC, NC or GA that had the Moss tool to work on this bike. I did find one knowledgeable service manager that had sold many TR650's before it went to KTM and he told me the following. BMW is shutting down the Moss system this month. Even if you can find a dealer with the tool he will not be able to use it on the BMW system. KTM has not taken responsibility for this yet and come up with a way to read these ECU's. I cant believe that BMW is abandoning the customers that bought a product that they owned two years ago. I am hesitant to buy one of these bikes without a way to get into the ECU if needed. Some said an aftermarket tool may be developed in the future. Again please excuse me if any of these terms are incorrect I am just trying to get informed before a purchase and looking for any insight you guys might have. Thanks.
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BMW shutting down Moss System?
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wferrari
Husqvarna
AA Class
My understanding is that MOSS is going to be replaced by a new diagnostic system that is going to be billed depending on usage. Apparently many smaller dealers were fed up with the upfront price of MOSS, so BMW has introduced a new pricing scheme for a more predictable ROI.
Heavyhauler
Husqvarna
B Class
According to the same source, the new BMW tool won't work on the Husky because BMW did not load any of the Husky serial numbers into the new system, so they could pass the buck to KTM. Truth or bull?
By passing the buck do you mean BMW will sell the MOSS system to Husky or KTM? If so, i doubt that. Unless they can disable all BMW serial numbers. Otherwise that would open up a can of worms for their operations.
I'm hoping that some good people crack the TR650 hex code fast.
Farmer John
Husqvarna
AA Class
He is wrong.
The new system recognizes every historic BMW manufactured vin (this includes the 650 & 800cc Husqvarnas).
I work at San Jose BMW & did a little research with both our current & former FSE's.
Heavyhauler
Husqvarna
B Class
No, by passing the buck, I mean BMW doesn't want to provide service that it would seem they should be obligated to provide for at least 10 years for something a company (Husqvarna) they owned built with a lot of their proprietary BMW parts and KTM who now owns Husqvarna doesn't want to provide servvice for something built before they bought the company that has proprietary BMW parts. KTM may be no more able to obtain the proprietary stuff than you or I???
Ogre_fl
Husqvarna
Pro Class
Farmer John
Husqvarna
AA Class
If they are a BMW & Husqvarna dealer, yes.
Ogre_fl
Husqvarna
Pro Class
If that is the case I am surprised the OP did not find that BMW of Atlanta say that they can still service the bikes.
Curious, why do they have to be a BMW/Husky dealer since Husky is not related to BMW anymore?
It would seem if all the vins are in the system, anyone with it should be able to.
Curious, why do they have to be a BMW/Husky dealer since Husky is not related to BMW anymore?
It would seem if all the vins are in the system, anyone with it should be able to.
Heavyhauler
Husqvarna
B Class
I guess the only question I have is there any reason to have to have a MOSS tool in the first place? Doesn't the Power Commander or some of the other tuning tools negate the need for the MOSS?
Farmer John
Husqvarna
AA Class
That was my thought and direct question to the FSE's.
All I got in reply is that it was direct from AG...
engineerk9
Husqvarna
AA Class
There are a couple of organisations looking at hex codes etc, my understanding is that none are ready to market
Here in Australia, the BMW/Husky deal stinks, neither BMW nor Husky importers want anything to do with the TR's Stradas or Nudas - it would appear that the Husky dealers selling the TRs didn't have the technical expertise to understand the "intelligent" ecu's (or the interest)
There are a number of add-ons "spoofs" that do improve the running, however none (as far as I can ascertain) have proved fool proof or long-term reliable
From my own experience, a GPR exhaust (or similar) the air filter mod (Pod mod) is critical, see the thread - then a set of Brisk spark plugs
Possibly improves things well enough to at least make my TR ride-able, once on the road (especially dirt) the bike comes into it's own
I'm persevering with mine, for better or worse
I can always take my ZRX1100 for a blast, blow the cobwebs out
If I was to start again, I'd go for the Suzuki 400
Heavyhauler
Husqvarna
B Class
I sold my DRZ400 and bought the Husky. My Husky had a WUKA on it when I bought it. I have ridden it about 1500 miles so far and no issues and could not be happier. I did the airbox mod and the cannister removal as soon as I got it. "In the Red", author of the thread, liked my Terra and was considering buying one, but read all these MOSS threads and got cold feet. He sold his DRZ and bought a 650 BMW instead.
I don't have anything worth considering to compare against the TR650.. But I'd just like to know what about the Husky Terra TR650 is better and worse than the DRZ400.. I don't want to hijack or go off tangent from this thread so if you could please PM me or post your reply in the appropriate thread, I would greatly appreciate it.
Heavyhauler
Husqvarna
B Class
It boils down to what you plan to do with the bike. Only complaints I had with my DRZ400S was the seat on long rides, and the fact that I personally consider the DRZ about a 30% street and 70% dirt type bike, and of course all bikes seem to have a laundry list of mods the factory should have done to which the DRZ and the Terra are no exception. Oh yeah, the DRZ needs a 6 speed transmission. The Terra IMO has the smoothest running single I've seen, with plenty of power and the gear spacing in the trans matches it so that it will get down and pull like a tractor in 1st, yet cruise down the road at 70 without wringing the tach off. It has a low cg so it doesn't feel as heavy as it is, so for me it is a 50/50 ride anywhere within reason type of dualsport/adventure bike. Just wish they would have made them longer.
Geeza
Husqvarna
AA Class
Back to the topic: BMW shutting down the MOSS system.
In Australia the bikes were orginally distributed by the Paul Feeney Group (PFG) and I spoke with them again yesterday in regards to the replacement diagnostic tool.
Basically the dealers with the MOSS system can no longer connect into BMW online.
The dealers can at a cost get a disc from PFG and install it on there existing equipment - this will be called OSS - however it is a basic windows 7 version and does not have the full functionality of the MOSS system. One function that is missing will be to reset the service light - you need to take the bike to the BMW dealer to get it reset! BMW dealers that I have spoke with will not touch the bike, so the alternative is to wait for the development/release of the 911 tool for our bike, this will hopefully have the functionality to reset the service light and read fault codes.
In Australia the bikes were orginally distributed by the Paul Feeney Group (PFG) and I spoke with them again yesterday in regards to the replacement diagnostic tool.
Basically the dealers with the MOSS system can no longer connect into BMW online.
The dealers can at a cost get a disc from PFG and install it on there existing equipment - this will be called OSS - however it is a basic windows 7 version and does not have the full functionality of the MOSS system. One function that is missing will be to reset the service light - you need to take the bike to the BMW dealer to get it reset! BMW dealers that I have spoke with will not touch the bike, so the alternative is to wait for the development/release of the 911 tool for our bike, this will hopefully have the functionality to reset the service light and read fault codes.
JTM
Husqvarna
AA Class
Terra was having the 3,000 RPM dead spot issue last fall. I could not find any dealers in NC, SC GA and VA who could MOSS Her. I stopped by the "New" Husky dealer in Denver NC, Palmer Motorsports. The owner (Todd) and I both reached out to Husky and with some back and forth with Husky, Andy Jefferson at Husky came up with a plan; I dropped Terra off at Palmer Motorsports, they removed her brain, put it in a box and shipped it to Husky. Husky flashed it with their computer in California and shipped it back to Palmer. Note, the guys at Husky had some doubts about how successful this was going to be as Terra has a booster plug and GRP header with single exhaust and has had a canectomy. End result Terra now runs like a dream and has more power that it's ever had.
