• Husqvarna Motorcycles Made In Sweden - About 1988 and older

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40mm fork -how to-

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Guys,
Ok i was asked by our moderator (Husky T) :notworthy: to post a how to on 40mm fork conversion for the 1978-1980 250, 390 Huskys. I've done this on my 1980 390CR and it's a bolt on conversion & one of the easiest suspension improvements you can make.

So in my opinion, this mod only really helps the 1978-1980 model bikes, as the older bike had fairly short suspension to begin with. And to be truthful the older model bikes would probably benefit more with just rebuilt stock suspension than by putting longer/larger late model diameter on.

1st thing If you go the 40mm route be careful to get forks that are close to the same travel as you currently have. Later model Husky had much longer travel shocks and are closer to 17-19" c-c so they made the forks longer too, besides larger in diameter.

Because of this you could easily mess up the very good steering geometry Husqvarna designed into the bike to begin with, by putting too long of forks or shocks & not adjusting the opposite end ,close to equaling it out. Of course you can go with longer length shocks and
adjust the forks to match, but i wouldn't go over an inch longer than
stock, as you'll be putting the swingarm at angle it was not designed for.

Now of course Huskys didn't always turn as fast as alot of other bikes, but usually nothing could equal it on whooped out straight away or rough sand section.

So for example if you used forks of a 81 250CR they have close to 14" of fork travel & have 17" c-c rear shocks. So you'd need to pull the forks up 2" in the triple clamps to have the same balanced handling when using 15" c-c shocks.

Ok , so what do you need, it's really simple

1) Set of 40mm forks 81-85, a complete set works best, with front
wheel,as the front wheel spacer & axle is more than likely different
from the stock one you have.

note:
Husqvarna gave their MX or CR/XC models longer length suspension then there enduro or WR models of the same year, usually there about a 1" difference on both ends. So take some measurement before you head off to Ebay or Mid-Ohio or the like to buy parts.

Take a measurement off the distance from the bottom of the triple clamp to the fork seal, so you have a base dimension,write it down.

Once you pull the old front end off, the 40mm set just bolts right on.
Hopefully you've changed the fork seals 1st, i perfer 12w oil (10 & 15w
mixed 50/50) , no springs in & 6" of oil from top, no air in forks. Put a
cable tie loosely above one of fork boots, so you can check fork travel.

Put the new forks on using the same dims you measured from the 35mm set to start out. Ride the bike & adjust the fork height if needed.

Ok, i'm not a 40mm fork expert, but i found the 81 or 82 CR worked
best on my 80 390CR, as there more than long enough. Also someone
on another forum told me you can make the 80 front wheel work
by modifing the wheel spacer, but i have no info of what's entailed.

Also i believe the 84 & up 40mm steering stem offset is different then the 81-83 ones, and the 85 & 86 have disc brakes so the fork legs
maybe different. The 84 models have double link brakes,but they
should work on the older 81-84 , but the again the wheel spacer
maybe different so try & get a complete set will help.

Ok a few other tricks

1) safety wire the front brake cable, down to the fork mount. Tie it
where the metal adjusting is and tighten it downward toward the
axle, as the cable can pull out of the adjuster.

2) make sure you replace the numberplate with the extended cable
saver type (vertical tab the attaches to the crossbar) as the cable
can easily get caught on the top portion of the fork that sticks
above the top triple clamp & cause the front brake to drag or even
lock :eek:


I can post picture if someone needs any:D

Later
John
 
81 250CR they have close to 14" of fork travel

I believe it's more like 11.8" WRs have 10.6"

Also i believe the 84 & up 40mm steering stem offset is different then the 81-83 ones,

The rake change in 84 is to the frame. The offset in the 85 triple clamps is greater
than than the previous years. In other words, on the later clamps
the fork legs are further forward from the stem.

and the 85 & 86 have disc brakes so the fork legs
maybe different.

85/86 /87 fork legs still have the mounting bosses for the front brake
stay arm but the 86/87 legs require the 86/87 "inner fork legs" as well due to the addition of bushings on the inter and outer leg.

Hope this helps
 
John,

Thanks for the post****************************************! IF you have some pics throw them up. The safety wire on the braked cable mount on the fork leg would be great as well... I was riding with MotoPat651 at the Husky Memorial and his brake cable overextended /popped out and locked up his front brakes..

Great job****************************************:cheers::applause::applause::applause::thumbsup:

Mag - thanks for the add on info.... post up pics guys... they are worth a thousand words to guys doing rebuilds...

T
 
fork pictures

Here's a couple before & (early) after pictures of the fork swap, man those 35mm forks :eek: look so thin.

I'll take some detail pictures of the cable tie down location & cable
routing/front numberplate type tonight & post them ASAP.

Later
John
 

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Numberplate & front brake safety wire area

Here's a couple of pictures of were to safety wire the front brake cable
down to prevent it from every pulling up & the cable saver number plate-
remember this is a must have unless you want the front brake to
possibly drag or lock :eek:.


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Hi john, i have a set of 1983 cr fork. i am going to put on my 1979 390 cr, can you post a picture of your front axle setup with the spacer.thanks doug.
 
Excellent thread. Great info. I want to double-recommend the safety-wire-on-the-brake-cable trick. And the zip tie around the fork wiper to help support the cable better.

One more safety tip:

At some point during reassembly, fork swap or not, it's VITAL to put the wheel and fender on and collapse the front end fully (leave the springs out to make it easy) and MAKE SURE that the wheel is not bottoming into the fender. This could make for a horrendous endo!!

Once you've got it bottomed, slide the chrome tubes up or down in the triples and get a reference for just how far you can raise the forks and still have the tire clear (roll freely). Then WRITE IT DOWN somewhere!! Do this with the fender on, of course. It also helps you center the fender around the front wheel. With those squishy rubber fender mounts, you can "rock" the fender forward or backward enough to make it rub the front tire pretty harshly. That old fender was arced pretty closely to the wheel diameter and there's not much tolerance.
 
Hi, getting set to put on my 40mm forks,on the triple clamp there is a washer or distance ring. I need to know where it goes? the manual show it under the bearing. it don't look right. any help thanks doug.
 
The only place I've seen them is under the bottom bearing. I left one out once... bottom triple scraped on the frame, had to re-do the whole thing. Doh!
 
I have two 84.5/85 (according to frame numbers they're 85's) WR 400's (ITC twinshock) and currently resurrecting one of them. I recently purchased a "true" 1985 triple clamp, which is definitely offset, to replace the moldy/rusted looking triple clamp I just pulled off. The newer TC certainly looks beefier and more robust -- So, just how much will this offset TC affect handling? What are the pluses and minuses of this set up?

Thanks for your answers in advance!
 
Skoalman;70101 said:
I have two 84.5/85 (according to frame numbers they're 85's) WR 400's (ITC twinshock) and currently resurrecting one of them. I recently purchased a "true" 1985 triple clamp, which is definitely offset, to replace the moldy/rusted looking triple clamp I just pulled off. The newer TC certainly looks beefier and more robust -- So, just how much will this offset TC affect handling? What are the pluses and minuses of this set up?

Thanks for your answers in advance!

I'm curious of that also. I'm putting a 87 WR430 disc brake front end on my 84 WR250.
 
disclaimer: haven't done this particular swap of 85 triples on 84 frame. But if you're talking about the 85 clamps having MORE offset, ie- moving the forks forward, farther from the stem, then you'll reduce the trail a bit. I think it will be good.

Should reduce some of that feeling the front ends of these bikes have of wanting to "cam over" and fall off center when you turn the bars. I notice it mostly when I'm up on the pegs, going real slow, picking my way through something nasty. You turn the bars a bit... a bit more... a bit more... then they want to "fall" all the way turned to the steering stops. If you pay careful attention you can also "feel" the front of the bike drop a bit as the bars fall (you can easily demonstrate this to yourself in the garage: hold bike upright, perfectly vertical, bars straight. Then turn bars fully to stops. Notice front end drop as wheel turns). Some of this drop is normal and desirable for good geometry. But these frames are a bit on the excessive side. This should lessen with a bit more offset and should be better in the really slow tight nasties. But I don't think high speed stability will suffer at all. These things are like freight trains.

Rake won't change, and you don't really need it to since the 84 frame has that nice 28.5-degree-or-so rake. I think you're building a really nice combination. Can't wait to see it (hint hint).
 
Picklito;70148 said:
disclaimer: haven't done this particular swap of 85 triples on 84 frame. But if you're talking about the 85 clamps having MORE offset, ie- moving the forks forward, farther from the stem, then you'll reduce the trail a bit. I think it will be good.

Should reduce some of that feeling the front ends of these bikes have of wanting to "cam over" and fall off center when you turn the bars. I notice it mostly when I'm up on the pegs, going real slow, picking my way through something nasty. You turn the bars a bit... a bit more... a bit more... then they want to "fall" all the way turned to the steering stops. If you pay careful attention you can also "feel" the front of the bike drop a bit as the bars fall (you can easily demonstrate this to yourself in the garage: hold bike upright, perfectly vertical, bars straight. Then turn bars fully to stops. Notice front end drop as wheel turns). Some of this drop is normal and desirable for good geometry. But these frames are a bit on the excessive side. This should lessen with a bit more offset and should be better in the really slow tight nasties. But I don't think high speed stability will suffer at all. These things are like freight trains.

Rake won't change, and you don't really need it too since the 84 frame has that nice 28.5-degree-or-so rake. I think you're building a really nice combination. Can't wait to see it (hint hint).

Thanks for the advice! Yeah, I'm going to post the pics when it's done...you can count on it!
 
I got my forks disassembled this evening, got new seals, steering head bearings. They are 87-WR430 forks, oil weight and amount recomendations? Bonus is-frees up DLS off of the bike for my 82-CR250.
 
disclaimer: haven't done this particular swap of 85 triples on 84 frame. But if you're talking about the 85 clamps having MORE offset, ie- moving the forks forward, farther from the stem, then you'll reduce the trail a bit. I think it will be good.

Should reduce some of that feeling the front ends of these bikes have of wanting to "cam over" and fall off center when you turn the bars. I notice it mostly when I'm up on the pegs, going real slow, picking my way through something nasty. You turn the bars a bit... a bit more... a bit more... then they want to "fall" all the way turned to the steering stops. If you pay careful attention you can also "feel" the front of the bike drop a bit as the bars fall (you can easily demonstrate this to yourself in the garage: hold bike upright, perfectly vertical, bars straight. Then turn bars fully to stops. Notice front end drop as wheel turns). Some of this drop is normal and desirable for good geometry. But these frames are a bit on the excessive side. This should lessen with a bit more offset and should be better in the really slow tight nasties. But I don't think high speed stability will suffer at all. These things are like freight trains.

Rake won't change, and you don't really need it too since the 84 frame has that nice 28.5-degree-or-so rake. I think you're building a really nice combination. Can't wait to see it (hint hint).



The trail will only decrease by bring the forks closer to the stem. You will get sharper steering with triple clamps with less offset. That is a better increase without cutting the frame to de-rake it.
 
When I did my conversion I had John at Vintage Husky in San Marcos due the rebuild. You may want to call him and ask what he recommends for oil, weight, etc. As I said in the other thread I had difficulty using
the same hub. I eventually used the same year hub with the dual-brake ability. Had Buchanan's Spoke and Rim in Azusa Ca lace to the new hub. I installed the quick air release from HVA factory to bleed before each ride.
The last time I talked to Rick Horvat in Aurora, Ohio he had an extra hub for that year. I ran the cable through the front of the number plate to ensure no binding would happen. Blue lock-tite anything I felt may
later be an issue. I later installed a set of Ohlins off of an 82 or 83 as well. I believe they were an addional .5 longer so I adjusted the front forks as necessary. The 80 390 are long in the tooth so I went a little
shorter of the forks to help with a shorter steering geometry.
 
Numberplate & front brake safety wire area

Here's a couple of pictures of were to safety wire the front brake cable
down to prevent it from every pulling up & the cable saver number plate-
remember this is a must have unless you want the front brake to
possibly drag or lock :eek:.


later
JohnView attachment 1388


Where are those cableguides from?
 
The trail will only decrease by bring the forks closer to the stem. You will get sharper steering with triple clamps with less offset. That is a better increase without cutting the frame to de-rake it.


It's the other way around. Less offset at clamps, forks move back relative to steering stem, trail increases.
 
Hi edgo I converted a 76cr to a 40mm but i kept the ball bearings I had a spacer made for the top and bottom bearing cup I tig welded the spacer to the cup and it works good,alot better feel than the stock forks.
 

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