1. Husqvarna Motorcycles Made In Sweden - About 1988 and older

water pump seal 85 400

Discussion in 'Vintage/Left Kickers' started by suprize, Feb 6, 2018.

  1. suprize Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Bendigo, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    WR 400, bike in a box Moto Villa 350
    Other Motorcycles:
    ktm 300
    which way does the water pump seal face ....:rolleyes:
  2. jimspac Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Connecticut
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 250WR, 82 430WR, 84 250WR, 85 400
    Other Motorcycles:
    86 400WR, 82 Montesa Cota 349
    Flat face to the left of the engine. I am sure you speak of the seal behind the impeller.
  3. auto Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    NJ,USA
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    too many
    I made up these repair plates for when there nothing left to hold the seal. IMG_7547.JPG IMG_7548.JPG
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  4. jimspac Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Connecticut
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 250WR, 82 430WR, 84 250WR, 85 400
    Other Motorcycles:
    86 400WR, 82 Montesa Cota 349
    My cover for the 400WRX needed a new seat for the seal. I cleaned it out, filled with JB Weld and had a local shop bore the seat in position.
  5. suprize Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Bendigo, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    WR 400, bike in a box Moto Villa 350
    Other Motorcycles:
    ktm 300
    so the oil is against the open side with the spring...ive heard differently?
  6. suprize Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Bendigo, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    WR 400, bike in a box Moto Villa 350
    Other Motorcycles:
    ktm 300
    pg 13 86 2 t manual shows the seal with the spring facing the water jacket...? ill go with that i rekon as the water pressure would hold the seal closed...maybee??
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  7. 86 400 XC Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Calgary
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    75,82,83,2x84,85,3x86,87,88 and 89
    Other Motorcycles:
    more Huskys
    The bearings are the seal for the oil.
    Any seal goes with the spring to the fluids. ;)
    the weep hole under the water pump is there to stop coolant from going in to the oil and leak externally.

    Steve
  8. oldbikedude Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Honey Brook Pa.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1988 wr 430 with cr suspension
    Other Motorcycles:
    66flh,67 CA77,76 CR125M,73H1,74ty250
    I would think we are keeping the water out of the oil not the oil out of the water.. Spring out?
  9. suprize Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Bendigo, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    WR 400, bike in a box Moto Villa 350
    Other Motorcycles:
    ktm 300
    all good stuff, spring out is the go...thanx for the comment, nothing worse than getting old and going .."now how did that come apart again?? why didnt i take a photo of that??"
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  10. Bigbill Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '83 250wr
    Other Motorcycles:
    0 right now
    The weep hole let’s us know the seal isn’t sealing anymore.

    Good question on which way the lip of the seal goes. I have seen even the crankbearing seal on the tranny side installed backwards. The lip side meaning the spring side goes towards the liquid. Meaning the coolant side. With the crank seal on the tranny side the lip goes towards the tranny oil.
  11. dukkman Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Warwick Queensland Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    85/WR 400,86/WR 240,83/430 is mates
    Other Motorcycles:
    69@71/TS90-76/TS100-72/DKW-78/PE
    I put mine spring towards the water the theory being that the coolant increases pressure as it gets hotter. My radiator caps are 11 lb.
  12. dukkman Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Warwick Queensland Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    85/WR 400,86/WR 240,83/430 is mates
    Other Motorcycles:
    69@71/TS90-76/TS100-72/DKW-78/PE
    I have one of these fitted to my 400 , it covers the whole area under the pump ''o '' ring included.
  13. Crashaholic Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Antelope Valley, CA.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    73 450WR 6spd motor in a 75 MK frame
    I have wondered about seal lip orientation when replacing water pump and crank seals. After reviewing the attached page I will be installing the seal lip on water pumps towards the engine coolant due to the pressure, and crank seal lip towards the transmission as the gear box oil level bathes the seal.

    The SD seal mentioned below refers to double lip seals, i.e. seals with main sealing lip and a protective dust seal.
    Seal Lip Orientation.png

    Attached Files:

  14. Bigbill Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '83 250wr
    Other Motorcycles:
    0 right now
    Don’t forget to prelube any seal and shaft where it rides. If left dry the seals life can be cut short.

    Note, if any shaft has a score line from a seal don’t install the seal back to its orginal location leave it out just a tad so it rides on a new flat clean surface. This happens a lot with harmonic balancers on car engines. It’s just food for thought for other applications. I’m just sharing knowledge.
  15. jimspac Husqvarna
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    Location:
    Connecticut
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 250WR, 82 430WR, 84 250WR, 85 400
    Other Motorcycles:
    86 400WR, 82 Montesa Cota 349
    The seal in the pic that Auto posted shows the seal behind the impellor is correctly installed.

    As I recall when I pulled my cover apart, there was an inner seal on the inner side of the weep hole because the bearing itself was not sealed
  16. suprize Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Bendigo, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    WR 400, bike in a box Moto Villa 350
    Other Motorcycles:
    ktm 300
    all back together now so its what it is. thanx all for your input
  17. DaveM Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Adelaide, Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2001 TE 570
    Other Motorcycles:
    Motorised Bicycle
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  18. Picklito Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Washington
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    430, 430, 430, ,400, 175
    Other Motorcycles:
    KTM250xc, KTM500mx, KTM440exc

    I agree with this logic, but ALL the factory seals I've pulled out have had the spring toward the crank. So, that's how I put them back in. I have seen replacement crank seals installed the way Bill describes and, guess what? They work fine, too.

    Now, with the high and hot water pressure, I like to put the spring toward the coolant. Maybe it's just me, but it works.
  19. disonny Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    upstate ny
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    73 360 wr/rt, 75 wr250 78 cr250,
    Other Motorcycles:
    83 wr250, 84 wr400
    On my 400, the outer water pump bearing has a sealed side. I put that facing away from the crank. I put the water pump seal with the spring facing the impeller. That way if the water pump seal leaks it drips out the weep hole and nothing gets into the trans oil.
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  20. hva-factory CH Sponsor

    Location:
    uk
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    Husqvarna 510TE , 300WR Etc...
    The correct seal is double lipped (lipped in both directions) that way you can deal with pressure from either side....

    Andy.