1. Husqvarna Motorcycles Made In Sweden - About 1988 and older

Troubleshooting 1987ish SEM Ignitions

Discussion in 'Vintage/Left Kickers' started by jimspac, Feb 17, 2015.

  1. jimspac Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Connecticut
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 250WR, 82 430WR, 84 250WR, 85 400
    Other Motorcycles:
    86 400WR, 82 Montesa Cota 349
    Is there a printed procedure for testing the external pickup SEM stators? I had found a procedure in a service manual for testing the older SEM that was used from 1982 to approx. 1986. I would like to be able to test a small number of newer stators and rotors that I will be using with pitbike CDI and coil combos
  2. 2premo Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Northern NV
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    98 WR360, 1987 WR430, 1988 XC430
    Other Motorcycles:
    Sherco 300, 2002 KTM 380EXC
    what do you mean by external pickup SEM
    do you have a picture?
  3. jimspac Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Connecticut
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 250WR, 82 430WR, 84 250WR, 85 400
    Other Motorcycles:
    86 400WR, 82 Montesa Cota 349
    The later SEMs have an upright that is the timed current to be supplied to the coil. I can supply a photo later. I need to know the functions of the 2 turquoise blue leads coming off the stator. I already know the functions of the green, black and yellow circuits
  4. jimspac Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Connecticut
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 250WR, 82 430WR, 84 250WR, 85 400
    Other Motorcycles:
    86 400WR, 82 Montesa Cota 349
    The first pic shows the stator with the external pickup. The second shows the blue wires I have the question about

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  5. 2premo Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Northern NV
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    98 WR360, 1987 WR430, 1988 XC430
    Other Motorcycles:
    Sherco 300, 2002 KTM 380EXC
    i can honestly say that is something i have never seen
  6. jimspac Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Connecticut
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 250WR, 82 430WR, 84 250WR, 85 400
    Other Motorcycles:
    86 400WR, 82 Montesa Cota 349
    What ignition is on your 88 430? is it a CR or WR? I got 4 of these ignitions from justintendo and they were all used on a 1988 WR
  7. 2premo Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Northern NV
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    98 WR360, 1987 WR430, 1988 XC430
    Other Motorcycles:
    Sherco 300, 2002 KTM 380EXC
    my 88 is an XC
    my 87 is a WR, also have 2 XC's
    they all have Motoplat
    my 87 250XC had SEM but nothing like yours
    my 87 CR250 has an SEM but never had the side cover off, only rode it a couple times, kinda museum type thing
  8. 2premo Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Northern NV
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    98 WR360, 1987 WR430, 1988 XC430
    Other Motorcycles:
    Sherco 300, 2002 KTM 380EXC
    i looked at the fische for 88 and found nothing like that although they are sometimes a little generic
    but,,,, looking at the 87 fische i found a similar looking one for the 87 XC250, not sure what they look like in the real world
  9. jimspac Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Connecticut
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 250WR, 82 430WR, 84 250WR, 85 400
    Other Motorcycles:
    86 400WR, 82 Montesa Cota 349
    I have read the tech data and it states that all WRs from 86 on came with Motoplat Mini 6 when I have heard of so many actually to have had SEM on WRs while XCs would use the Motoplat
  10. Bigbill Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '83 250wr
    Other Motorcycles:
    0 right now
    Twin stator one is the lighting two yellow wires. The other stator is the ignition.

    I took my first ride on my 83 husqvarna 250wr with the SEM for its very first ride. We got home and I washed the dirt off with a garden hose. After that the SEM failed. I didn't seal the ignition cover.

    We had a state of the art high tech electronic lab that could melt the coating off the stator to see what failed but I never had the time to get it done. I have rolls of copper wire for re winding lighting coils.

    The husqvarna chainsaws used SEM ignition too. The magnets in the flywheel we would re-epoxy. The original epoxy would crack.
  11. jimspac Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Connecticut
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 250WR, 82 430WR, 84 250WR, 85 400
    Other Motorcycles:
    86 400WR, 82 Montesa Cota 349
    What do you use to remove potting? Anything I can buy locally?
  12. Bigbill Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '83 250wr
    Other Motorcycles:
    0 right now
    In the test lab we used some type of an acid. We had a special machine to do it. We would inspect our vendors parts to see why they failed.
  13. dukkman Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    Warwick Queensland Australia
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    85/WR 400,86/WR 240,83/430 is mates
    Other Motorcycles:
    69@71/TS90-76/TS100-72/DKW-78/PE
    Those blue wires aren't just the stand off trigger wires ?
    All the chinese ones and the newer honda postie have two wires from the trigger.
    Use a multimeter set on ohms and probe the wire insulation close to the trigger and see if there is a connection to the end of those wires.
    Easier done than said.
    Cheers
  14. justintendo klotz super techniplate junkie

    Location:
    mercer, pa/northwest pa
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    84 250,86 400,87 430,88 250,95 360
    Other Motorcycles:
    99 kawasaki zrx 1100
    im almost positive jimspac that the one you have pictured with the neatly taped off connectors was the original one on my 88 xc250. its weird as it has the mounts welded for the triangular cdi box, 2 430xc i have seen have motoplat instead and have the different mounts. i have a stash of frames as well and none have the mount for the triangular sem box.
  15. jimspac Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Connecticut
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    82 250WR, 82 430WR, 84 250WR, 85 400
    Other Motorcycles:
    86 400WR, 82 Montesa Cota 349
    It would be helpful to know what all of those came from yearwise as only Motoplat is shown as standard in the tech sheets that cover from 1981-1988
  16. 2premo Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Northern NV
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    98 WR360, 1987 WR430, 1988 XC430
    Other Motorcycles:
    Sherco 300, 2002 KTM 380EXC
    according to the Husqvarna fische they were used on the 87 250XC as the CR was a different system generating power for the solenoid power valve
    the XC and CR use the same CDI trigger as you say triangular shaped but it seems to be specific to the 87 year model as i don't see the CDI box on any other years
    now as far as an 88 goes there is a possibility that an 87 was badged as 88 due to arriving late
    justintendo likes this.