1. Husqvarna Motorcycles Made In Sweden - About 1988 and older

Question about octane levels in gas

Discussion in 'Vintage/Left Kickers' started by Mike758, Jan 13, 2014.

  1. Mike758 Husqvarna
    B Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '87 430
    So I have a 1987 Husqvarna 430 AE. In the manual it says to only use 95 octane gas. I live in the United States, and the highest level of octane I can get in gas stations around me is premium gas, which is 91-93 octane. I've never had a dirt bike with such a high octane requirement, so I'm wondering how critical this is to match the 95 octane level, and if it is important, where can I find this gas?
  2. grouty Auto Lover ...

    Location:
    South West UK
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    78 390WR, 78 390 AMX, 500 Humph
    Other Motorcycles:
    works 73 CCM 520, another 73 CCM520
    We are lucky (ish) in the UK as our standard gas is 95 octane. Super unleaded is 97. But the issue is, that the stuff is full of ethanol and other crap. My Husky 390 hates the stuff, the CCM pinks like Lady Penelope's Rolls, and the "tweaked" KLX250 twin shock has even less power than my lawn mower.
    I use 114 octane leaded race fuel from Sunoco and mix it 20% with pump gas. Cured all my problems :)

    I can't point you to where to get regular gas that is better, but maybe adding race fuel will help. I have found that 2 strokes don't like unleaded fuel.
  3. Old Geezer Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    Washington state, central desert country
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1983 XC500, 1985 CR500
    Other Motorcycles:
    1973 Yamaha 360 MX, Harley FatBoy
    Here's the deal: Ethanol lowers the octane rating in gas. The higher the octane, the slower the gas is to combust. That's why low octane gas is a no-no with high performance engines running with a lot of ignition advance...the fuel will ignite too soon and cause knocking. If you can't find higher octane gas to slow down the burn rate, then your other option is to de-tune a bit....i.e., retard your timing somewhat. You probably won't even feel the difference in performance unless you're a die hard racer, but your engine will feel better.
    justintendo likes this.
  4. fran...k. Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    eastern ct
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    420ae 98wr125 2004wr250 others
    Other Motorcycles:
    electric freeride 1993 yam gts
    (R+M)/2 octane ratings.
    You have to compare apples to apples. What does the manual call for RON octane?
    I do get race gas on occasion but more for the lead, I hate the smell of a lot of race gas. I don't see a need for anything but premium from a knocking standpoint. Chain slap can be mistaken for knocking. I thought ethanol raised octane, certainly to run methanol higher compression is used. If you can find ethanol free gas might as well use that. http://pure-gas.org/
  5. moretoys Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    NorthEast USA
  6. Mike758 Husqvarna
    B Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '87 430
    I don't know, it's hard to tell because it doesn't specify in it's RON or not, and says min. 95 Octane in both the English and Swedish. If you want to take a peek for yourself it's on the last page: http://www.yourhusky.com/files/86-88-Auto-shop-manual.pdf

    But I figured though regardless some guys may be able to tell me whether or not that's the right number. This is my first "real" bike as my bikes in the past (Kawasaki KDX 250 and Yamaha TTR 125) were just beat up bikes worth less than $200. I also had a CZ 125 but it was seized up. So I don't know too much about bikes yet, that's why I'm referring back to this page and getting help from friends
  7. Old Geezer Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    Washington state, central desert country
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1983 XC500, 1985 CR500
    Other Motorcycles:
    1973 Yamaha 360 MX, Harley FatBoy
    OOPS, my mistake kids. Don't know how my mind got so warped, but ethanol does indeed raise the octane level - not lower it as I previously said. It doesn't raise it a lot, something like 2 to 3 points is all, but in so doing it slows down the combustion process to allow for more compression and/or timing.
    That's all fine and good, but the whole intent of the original question was about finding 95+ octane gas. Without the ethanol, we would be hard pressed to find even 89 octane in the US anyway. I think 92 is all I can find locally.

    Back in the days before we got on this burnable cocktail kick, they used to add stuff like xylene (I think) and other exotic chemicals to raise the octane way up. It seems that 98 octane "premium" gas was readily available everywhere when lead was still being used.

    So again, if engine knocking is a problem about all you can do it back off the timing.
  8. stormer254 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    England
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    More than I dare let her know
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yes!
    Mix in a bit of Avgas
  9. Old Geezer Husqvarna
    A Class

    Location:
    Washington state, central desert country
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1983 XC500, 1985 CR500
    Other Motorcycles:
    1973 Yamaha 360 MX, Harley FatBoy
    If only they sold Avgas at my local Walmart. The nearest small airport is 50 miles away, and I don't even know if they have or will sell me Avgas. Too much of a pain in the ass when all my bikes run fine (enough) off crappy pump gas.
  10. Mike-AK Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Alaska
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2012 TE 310
    91 RON would be around 95 MON. 91 US pump gas should work just fine.
  11. grouty Auto Lover ...

    Location:
    South West UK
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    78 390WR, 78 390 AMX, 500 Humph
    Other Motorcycles:
    works 73 CCM 520, another 73 CCM520
    I ordered my 25 litres of 115 Octane Leaded race gas on Friday. It arrived here at work yesterday ! I didn't even have to break into a sweat to get it.
    Just go onto the Sunoco Race Fuels web site and order !
  12. justintendo klotz super techniplate junkie

    Location:
    mercer, pa/northwest pa
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    84 250,86 400,87 430,88 250,95 360
    Other Motorcycles:
    99 kawasaki zrx 1100
    whats the shelf life?
    i have someone close to me that sells turbo blue
  13. grouty Auto Lover ...

    Location:
    South West UK
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    78 390WR, 78 390 AMX, 500 Humph
    Other Motorcycles:
    works 73 CCM 520, another 73 CCM520
    A 25 litre drum will last me almost a season. There seems to be no degradation during this time. At the 20% I mix it with super unleaded there is enough for 125 litres of std gas. That is 150 litres total.
  14. oldbikedude Husqvarna
    Pro Class

    Location:
    Honey Brook Pa.
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    1988 wr 430 with cr suspension
    Other Motorcycles:
    66flh,67 CA77,76 CR125M,73H1,74ty250
    I have had a 87 430CR & currently have a 88 430WR. I Have run them many years with no ill effect on 93-91 octane.
  15. fourteensix Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    da 'noke va
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    78 wr250, 80 420AMX, 81 wr430
    Other Motorcycles:
    73 cz 400, 72 SL 125, 03 KTM SX250
    Hey Guys,
    I am no expert, from my experience the ethanol/gas eats at any rubber type material ( fuel lines, o-rings, seals ) that is not made for use with it. Also being alcohol it absorbes water... so it is Ethanol free 92 pump gas or race gas for me.
  16. Chayzed Pilot Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    So Cal
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    2004 TC450,1978 390CR,1983 430 Wr
    Other Motorcycles:
    A gaggle of them
    Welcome to the new world. Pump gas in Kali is good for about two weeks in a plastic container. If you don't use it quickly.....well....it's junk and use it for cleaning parts.
  17. Mike758 Husqvarna
    B Class

    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    '87 430
    I have already witnessed the effects of ethanol. When I cleaned the carb it was literally coated with this thick white stuff, I wasn't ever sure what it was. I though it was mice urine or something because inside the air filter and into the carb was the biggest mice nest I've ever seen. My friend said that it's from the ethanol, so I really can see it hurting the engine eventually.
  18. stormer254 Husqvarna
    AA Class

    Location:
    England
    Husqvarna Motorcycle:
    More than I dare let her know
    Other Motorcycles:
    Yes!
    This is why I drain any fuel left in tank after use and store in steel jerry cans. I also use an octane booster that is advertised in the VMCC journal, my Greeves Challengers pink on 97 octane