430 auto parts needed

Hi all, I have a 1986 430AE in sad shape in the auto department (who knew?), does anyone here have any clutch shoes and freewheels in usable condition they would sell me?
Tony.

Buy the freewheels direct from a gnm agent . They still make them new . And wer the oem supplier
I know the 4 speed stuff is fe438z fe458z and fe478z. The 38 58 and 78 correspond to the od of the sprag bearing . So messure the id of the hole it runs in

Why do you need new shoes ? Recut the grooves with a hacksaw blade as per the manual

I'll check out the freewheels, the shoes are in REALLY bad shape though, way beyond re grooving.

Tony, Marty might have what your looking for. He is Motomwo. Chris

What do you mean by 'the shoes are in REALLY bad shape' ? Are they broken or just excessively worn down ? I know from experience that very worn down shoes will have too much clearance and keep breaking springs. Is that your problem?

The shoes for 2nd gear are very worn down, I'll grab some pics later today. The springs are all intact, but it seems to have broken some in the past, the bag of spare parts includes broken springs and some interesting special tools.
One tool appears to be a jig for 2nd/3rd gear shoes to be turned down after being built up with brazing, at least that's the only possible use I can imagine, I'll get some pics of the tools as well, who knows, someone might be able to identify some of them!

Tony.

1st gear clutches




Second gear








Tool for skimming rebuilt shoes in a lathe?

Can you help with any of these parts motomwo?

The steel clutch shoes for 1st gear aren't grooved - the grooves are on the inside of the drum. How are the grooves on yours?
Those 2nd/3rd gear clutches are very worn. I think that you should have only about 1mm or so clearance. I haven't seen anything official about how much is correct but yours is certainly very excessive.

I am sorry, I all I have are the 420,390,360 auto parts. The clutch shoes for the 430 are not the same as the earlier autos.

Marty

My first gear drum isn't too bad, I think it will be usable.

Yes that 1st gear drum look quite ok.
By the way - are you sure that your bike is a 1986 model? Looking again at your 2nd/3rd clutch assembly tells me that it has 1987 clutch shoes installed. The later ones are a slightly different design as far as I recall.

As a matter of interest I spoke to a local foundry near where I work and he reckons that the 'brass' shoes are actually some sort of aluminium bronze alloy. He told me that he could cast a set of 3 for about NZ$100 - AU$90 - US$65. Then it would be up to me to just get the necessary holes drilled for mounting etc. I didn't do anything because I found another option to cure my excessive wear problem.

Maybe a group buy?

What other Option did you find??? I would be interested in knowing?
I have one NOS set of 2nd/3rd gear shoes and Drum. If it would help to make a mold?

I would be interested too, in a couple of sets.
Could make them oversized to accommodate a worn drum?

I honestly don't know the whole process, but I imagine a mould of some sort would be used, perhaps rowan could ask his contact?
I think there would be several interested auto owners, if only to have spares like yourself.

Where on earth did you find that little treasure trove Jim?

Dave Pratt HVA Specialty years ago.

US $ 65 for a set of three ? It seems to be cheap ! The problem I suppose is to do some machining after foundry.
Would also be interested it the project is going.

The foundry said that they would sand-cast the shoes. The factory items are die cast but the cost of having a new set of dies made will run into the $ thousands - totally uneconomic. The only specialist work required would be the drilling of holes for the mounting pins and the retaining roll pins - these must be is precise position or parts won't fit.

I will talk to them again in the next couple of days and conform that they can still do them. I am under the impression that making a few sets at the same time is more economic for me and for them.

Jim - since you have some factory new parts I will need a couple of measurements from you if it is not too inconvenient. Just to make sure that everything is done properly.

Sure, what ever you need.